IGNITING THE SUSSEX BEACONS

OF UNITY

THE HISTORY OF THE

SUSSEX BRANCHES OF A.S.L.E.F. 



EVERY PICTURE TELLS A STORY


 One of the main reasons for doing these web sites is to try and explain to everybody the history of the footplate grades, the conditions they had to work in and the creation of the A.S.L.E.F. branches within the Brighton & Sussex area.

I am therefore very grateful for people sending me personal photos from their personal collection and for allowing me to display them on the web sites. But unfortunately what is missing, are the stories that accompany them. What I want to do is to try and remedy this by starting to record the remaining stories that are still out there, before they too are lost in the midst of time.

I have added some information about some of the drivers that I know and the comments that have already have been sent to me.

If you too have any stories about your own working life on the footplate, the people that you worked with and the conditions you had to work in please send me and I will post, on the web site.

If you are interested in helping me in capturing these stories by any means possible please let me know.




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NEWHAVEN LOCO

1847 ~1963

 

 page 1592


This web page is dedicated to all A.S.L.E.F. members who have worked at Newhaven depot over the years, and it features A.S.L.E.F. members who brought the trains of Newhaven to life.


 

Newhaven locomotive Shed was opened on 8th December 1847 by the L.B.S.C.R. (Shed Code N) and located at Newhaven Harbour. The shed was closed in 1887 and relocated to behind Newhaven Town station.

Newhaven locomotive shed was a sub-depot of the Brighton shed and closed on the 9th September 1963.

The Newhaven Branch of A.S.L.E.F. was opened in 16th June 1912 and closed in 30th September 1963.

 

Loco No. 292, July 1874 at Seaford 

 

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 Newhaven Loco Shed

 

 

 THE RAILWAY DOGS

Courtesy of Steve West


 

The first railway dog can be traced back to 1881, he was called “HELP” and collected money for the “Orphan Fund” of the Amalgamated Society of Railway Servants.

This famous dog, a pure Scotch Collie was a gentle and beautiful creature. He was recog­nised as the "Railway Dog of England", and was a most successful commercial traveller on behalf of the Railway Servants Orphan Fund.
During his life he collected £1004. (1882 -1891). Mr. John Climpson, passenger guard of the Newhaven Night Boat train on the London Brighton and South Coast Railway for close on forty years, conceived the idea of training a dog for collecting purposes. "Help" was supplied through the agency of the Rev. Dr. Macleod and was admirably suited for the work.
After being trained by Mr. Climpson, "Help" travelled extensively from 1882 until 1891 throughout Scotland, Ireland and Wales and twice crossed the channel to France.
He carried a handsome silver collar, bearing a silver Medal endorsed "I am Help the railway dog of England, and travelling agent for the orphans of railwaymen who are killed on duty" plus the address of the London offices to which interested persons could send donations.

The amalgamation in 1923 of the London South Western with the London Brighton and South Coast and the South Eastern and Chatham Railways extended the area for fund raising, but at the same time increased the number of children requiring help and care, and by now dogs were collecting at all London Termini and large stations down the Thames to Dover, then round the coast to Plymouth and beyond. 


Information extract & adapted from 

the Old Southeronians Association Website

Which was written By H.T. Hunt  

 





 Right Station Master Gage with Bob the Railway Dog 

   

Above is the rear of an Amalgamated Society of Railway Servants (A.S.R.S.) fob, which features the “Railway Dog".  

This badge is extremely rare and is over 100 years old.

  

 

 


 Help the noble Railway Dog 

This photo was taken from the book title is 50 years of Railway Trade Unionism, the story of the N.U.R. published in c1920 

 


CLICK ON ICON FOR MORE INFORMATION REGARDING

THE HISTORY OF RAILWAY DOGS 

 

E. J. Bedford Collection 

Beulah was based at Newhaven when this photo was taken at Lewes in c1876

 

 

Above is a list of all the engine men that where employed at Newhaven (Harbour) Locomotive Department in 1877. It is not know if this is list was compiled in seniority order or not. However, the list does clearly indicates the  difference in the ages of both drivers & fireman at that period of time.

 

 E. J. Bedford Collection 

Crowborough was based at Newhaven when this photo was taken at Lewes in c1892

 

 STORIES FROM THE SHOVEL

extracted from the R.C.T.S. book of L.B.S.C.R. Locomotive


SHED DOORS

The escape of engine No.133 Picardy on the evening of 11th February, 1889, when it was being stabled until the morning on Newhaven shed after having worked in with a train of horse boxes. The shed doors were partly closed and not noticing this in the darkness driver Benson drove through them and in the subsequent confusion crashed into a wagon of loaded with ashes. Apart from odd scratches and dents, and a lost chimney damage was so slight that hurried repairs permitted the return working to be taken with little delay. Nevertheless driver Benson was fined £2. 2s. 0d. and a shed labourer dismissed for moving the shed doors without permission and not placing a red light on the wagon which he was loading. 

Life could be hard on the Brighton!

Driver James Beach who was driving an A Class Terrier Tank No. 41 'Piccadilly', on the 4th February 1901, On this morning he was running light engine from Newhaven to Seaford, there to undertake a spell of shunting before working a goods back to Lewes. When about three hundred yards from Seaford beach he attempted to feed water to the boiler only to find the pumps would not to work, so he had to walk along the side framing and opened the left hand pet tap. On making his way back to safety of his cab a sudden jerk upset Driver Beach’s grip and he fell to the  ballast. fortunately the engine wheels missed him.

 

 

 

NEWHAVEN HARBOUR

COMPANY'S LOCOMOTIVES


Owing to difficulties the Newhaven Harbour had to be controlled by an independent company, which worked in close co-operation with the L.B.S.C.R. Known as the Newhaven Harbour Company, this concern employed horses on the quays for some years before turning to steam power. The first indication of this was on 6th July, 1880 when the Minute Book records £300 being made available for purchasing a suitable tank locomotive. Apparently one was not found, for on 5th April, 1881 Stroudley suggested raising the price to £550 and offered to inspect a second hand engine advertised for sale by the Huslett Engine Company. The was accepted and on 3rd May, 1881 a saddle tank engine named ‘Wave’ was at work hauling sand from the beach to Denton Cement

Works. A similar engine named ‘Bradford’ said to be ten years old and in good order, was inspected on 2nd May, 1882 and purchased together with a steam crane and patent grab, on 20th June at an auction in Manchester for £742. Both engines were repainted in standard Stroudley livery with their names inscribed across the tank sides. At weekends they were washed out and given minor repairs at Newhaven shed, while heavier attention was given by Brighton works. In July 1888 their regular crews were passed by L.B.S.C.R. inspectors for working between the Harbour and the Town stations, thereby avoiding the necessity of providing pilot-men on journeys from the beach to the West Breakwater. In addition the senior driver was also passed for occasional journeys in daylight hours from Newhaven Town to Seaford or Lewes. Two carriages were borrowed in March, 1889 and purchased for £42 in February, 1892 on Billinton’s request because they were not fitted with the Westinghouse brake and he wished to inform the Board of Trade that all the company’s coaching stock was so fitted

With no signalling on the quay lines, apart from that applying to the Brighton Company’s track it is not surprising that minor incidents occurred from time to time. For instance ‘Wave’ ran into and killed one of the shunting horses on the night of 11th February, 1883, while in the following year on 6th May ‘Bradford’ collided with several loaded coal wagons and pushed two of them into the harbour. Of greater consequence was the accident on the evening of 23rd March, 1888 when Wave’s crew lost control of a heavy train of stone blocks and crashed at speed into some empty wagons, which in ran into Bradford. No one was injured, both crews having jumped clear in time, but the Harbour

company’s complete stock of locomotives was out of commission, and ‘Terriers’ engines Nos. 69 ‘Peckham’ and 79 ‘Minories’ had to be borrowed until repairs could be completed. Bradford was quickly dealt with on the spot by fitters

sent out from Brighton shed and was back at work in four days, but Wave had to be towed away to Brighton Works and returned to traffic on 27th May, 1888, on the 7th December 1892 was sold for scrap. Bradford was again damaged by runaway wagons on 25th April, 1892 and was sent to Brighton for repairs and returned back to Newhaven on 28th July and was laid up in February, 1898. Terrier engine no. 69 acted as a temporary replacement, while negotiations were made for the purchase of Terrier engine No.72 ‘Fenchurch’ on 27th June 1898. Over the following months various Terriers were hired for varying periods, but once work ceased on the sea defences in February 1902, Fenchurch proved sufficient.

 

 

 H. Hills Collection

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

JULY 1911

Extracted and adapted from A.S.L.E.F. Organising Secretary W. Warwick’s 

report page 332

 

The following Wednesday (3rd May) found me at Newhaven, a small locomotive centre on the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway, about the only one on the Brighton line where we have not got a branch of our Society. I got to work and made the necessary preparations by way of hall and bills for open meeting on the Sunday (7th May), but on the Friday (12th May) was called away to attend a Board of Trade inquiry at New Cross. In this case a wagon examiner had been killed whilst engaged in his duties, but after going thoroughly into the matter it was agreed that our member was in no way to blame.

I returned to Newhaven, and at the meeting a few of our members from Brighton and Eastbourne attended, together with Brother Harrison, of Battersea, who presided, but the Newhaven men made a poor show in turning up. However, it was very interesting and those who did attend went away wiser with regard to the position and doings of our Society, and thus, I hope, the first step was taken towards establishing a branch of our Society at Newhaven.

 

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

page 358

AUGUST 1912


Extracted and adapted from

A.S.L.E.F. Organising Secretary W. Warwick's report

 

 I then spent nine days at the Conference, and on returning visited Fulham in the morning and an open meeting at Covent Garden in the evening, and the following day left for Newhaven, with the view to open a branch of our Society there. This is rather a small depot on the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway, but quite large enough to maintain a branch. I did the needful by way of visiting, bills, &c., and on the Sunday a few friends from Brighton with Brother Marshall, from Eastbourne, came over to lend a hand, with the result that a branch was opened and arrangements made for the future.

W. Warwick

 

September 1912 

Page 409

 

As intimated in my last report, a branch of our Society was opened at Newhaven on Sunday, June 16th, but owing to not having books, &c, it was necessary for me to pay another visit in order to instruct our new secretary, and to assist in finding a suitable club room, &c. I attended to this on the Tuesday, 25th, and am pleased to state I had but little difficulty in carrying out the above mentioned duties.

 

 Above are the minutes from the opening meeting of the Newhaven Branch of A.S.L.E.F. 

The Branch's first meeting was held in the White Hart Hotel on Sunday 30th, June, whereby two more loco-men Bros. W. Goldsmith & W. Smith joined the Branch

 






THE 

NEWHAVEN BRANCH

OF A.S.L.E.F.
 

1912 ~ 1963



The following minutes have been
 
extracted and adapted from the Newhaven Branch 

minute books.


These minutes help to tell the story of the working
 
lives of the footplatemen who worked 

at Newhaven Loco shed, and what 

is recorded, is the views of the A.S.L.E.F.

 members who were in attendance

at these meetings.






 Special Open meeting held at the Co-Operation Hall on

Sunday June 16th 1912 at 3.0 p.m.

Chairman Bro T. Hatcher, Mr W. Warwick, A.S.L.E.F. District Organiser A.E. Harrison from Battersea Branch, Bros A.E. Marshall from Eastbourne Branch and  Brighton Branch members  Bros. T.W. Hatcher (Branch Chairman), J. Enves (Branch Secretary), F. Smith, J. Smith, H. Funnell, F. Wilson, F. Queen, A. Pope, G. Thomas, T. Leaney, T. Burtenshaw and F. Christmas, and several Newhaven men.

Bro Jack Enves in a few remarks stated that an effort was made twelve months ago to open a branch at Newhaven but it was not successful.  As it was understood that several of the Newhaven men were now unanimous to join our ‘Society’ the present meeting was called to enable the loco-men to form a branch of the ‘Associated Society’ or join a convenient branch. It was pointed out that we had branches at all the depots in the Southern District namely St Leonards, Eastbourne, Brighton & Fratton, and the men of Bognor, Midhurst and Littlehampton with exceptions were members of the Horsham Branch but that see correspondence at each of those depots.

Bro. A.E. Harrison stated that from the experience of his serving the last twelve months in working with the A.S.R.S. he had come to the conclusion that the loco-men cannot get their business satisfactorily endorsed in a branch room consisting of all grades as it is very difficult to get our men together owing to our irregular hours it is best manage our own business by locomotive men only.

Bro. A. Marshall stated that from his experience of the Coastal Depots where loco-men had but two representatives out of eight he was of the opinion that loco-men must manage their own business through their own organisation. He also pleaded with the men at Newhaven to use this influence to get the four ‘Associated’ candidates for the Southern District returned at the forthcoming Conciliation Board elections.

Mr Warwick in a long and interesting address hoped the men at Newhaven would see their way clear to form a branch of our Society. He did not go there to ask them to assist us to form or build up our Society as we were now 24,000 strong with £ 188.000 at our disposal.

We were asking for but 1/- entrance fee when he joined the Society they paid anything up to 10/- and did not know whether the Society would be a success or not. A man joining now practically knew that he was joining a strong and finically sound organisation. 

Bro T. Hatcher thanked the speakers on behalf of the meeting for their remarks and appealed for new members. But hoped they would elect a Chairman and Secretary so could manage their own business.

Seven Newhaven men responded by joining with promises from several men who were unable to attend.

It was agreed to form a Newhaven Branch and to elect Chairman and Secretary.  

Pro. by A. Pearce, Sec. by L. Lower that Fred Wilmshurst, be the Secretary of Newhaven Branch, Carried Unanimously. 

Pro. F. Wilmshurst, Sec. by D. Boyle: - C. Barrow be Chairman of the Newhaven Branch Carried Unanimously.

Pro. by T.W. Hatcher Sec. by H. Funnell:- That the following men be members of the Newhaven Branch, 

C. Barrow, F. Wilmshurst, H.G. Bowden, D. Boyle, E. P. Ettridge, A.H. Pearce & L. Lower. Carried Unanimously.

Pro. by T.W. Hatcher Sec. by J. Smith: - That a vote of thanks be given to Bros. Warwick, Marshall and Harrison for attending also for their interesting addresses. Carried.

Pro. by Bro Warwick, Sec. by F. Smith: - That a vote of thanks be given to Chairman for the able manner he had performed his duties and vice of the opinion that we had a most pleasant meeting. Carried. 

Bro. Harrison endorsed Mr. Warwick remarks and stated that when they opened the Bricklayers Arms Branch about five years ago it was a most disorderly meeting but the Branch is now 150 strong.

 

 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday June 30th at 6 o’clock

Present members from Brighton Branch: - T.W. Hatcher, J. Smith, F. Christmas, F. Queen & W. Baldwin, and members of the Newhaven Branch.

It being our first Branch meeting it was proposed by Bro J. Smith and Sec. Bro. A. Pearce. That Bro. T.W Hatcher take the chair just to wake us up a bit. Carried.

Minutes read of open meeting of June 16th Pro. C. Barrow & Sec. A. Pearce. That they be accepted as a true record."

Pro. T. W. Hatcher, Sec. J. Smith. "That William Smith be a member of the Society, Carried. Pro. T. W. Hatcher, Sec. that William Goldsmith be a member of the Society. Carried.

Bro. J. Smith explained the Benevolent Call Fund, its objects and what to pay and urged our members to take up same.

Bro. T.W. Hatcher in a few remarks explained the Pension Fund and asked for our support for same by returning him & Bro. J. Enves as Delegates.

Pro. by Bro. W. Smith, Sec. by Bro. C. Barrow that Bro. F. Wilmshurst attends a Conference to discuss the National Programme, Carried.

Pro. C. Barrow and Sec. A. Pearce that a vote of thanks be accorded to Bro. T.W. Hatcher for the able manner he conducted the meeting, Carried Unanimously.


The Newhaven Branch held it meetings in the White Hart Hotel from the 30th June, 1912, until the 28th December, 1924, when the Newhaven Branch relocated to the Newhaven Labour Club and the first meeting being held the 25th January 1925. The Branch remained there until its last meeting on the 8th September 1963.

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday July 14th 1912

Bro. C. Barrow presiding


Minutes read of the last meeting, pro by Bro. A. Pearce & sec. W. Smith. That they be accepted as a true record.

Election of Officers


Pro. A. Pearce & sec C. Barrow 

That Bro. W. Smith be Vice Chairman. Carried

Pro. L. Lower & sec. W. Smith 

That Bro. H. Bowden be Check Steward. Carried


Committee

Pro. by Bro. C. Barrow & sec. Bro. W. Smith 

That Bro. A. Pearce be one of the committee members. Carried

Pro. by Bro H. Bowden & sec. Bro. A. Pearce 

That Bro. L. Lower be one of the committee members. Carried

Pro. by Bro. C. Barrow & sec Bro. A. Pearce

That Bro. D. Boyle be one of the committee members. Carried 


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1912 -13

Chairman Bro. C. Barrow

Vice Chair Bro. W. Smith 

Secretary Bro. F. Wilmshurst



 

Delegate gave his report of the Conference held at Brighton on July 11th 1912.

Pro. Bro. C. Barrow & Sec. Bro. W. Smith.

That the Secretary write to the Corresponding Secretary disapproving of Eastbourne proposal of having four & four delegates to submit the programme before the Company and they thought it have been better to have had five A.S.L.E.F & three A.S.R.S. Men. Carried. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday July 28th 1912

C. Barrow presiding

Minutes read of the last meeting, pro. by Bro. A. Pearce & sec. by Bro. L. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record.

Letter read from Brighton re 4 & 4 to submit the National Programme, and it was agreed that the Secretary write to Brighton supporting their proposal.

Cleaners Lobby came up for discussion, Pro. by A. Pearce & Sec. By L. Lower. 

That it stand over to the next meeting when we hoped to have moved there. Carried.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on 

Sunday August 4th 1912


when we had a good number present,


Bro. C. Barrow in Chair


Minutes read of the last meeting Pro. by Bro. A. Pearce & sec. by Bro. L. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried

Letters read from the Brighton branch re Joint action in submitting National Programme, and it was thought the reply was satisfactory.

Cleaners lobby again came up for discussion and was Pro. By Bro. H. Bowden & Sec. By Bro. W. Smith.

That the Secretary take up with Bro. Pullen concerning the same asking him to take up with Mr. Richardson at an early date. Carried.

Discussion took place re Cleaners having to stop and help coal engines and it was decided to it drop as what they would gain one way they would lose another.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday September 8th 1912

Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of the last meeting, pro. A. Pearce & sec. L. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record.

Pro by Bro. H. Bowden & sec. Bro. A. Pearce. That John William Green be a member of this Society.

Correspondence read from Brighton re deputation and also reply from our Superintendent which was very much appreciated. 

Medalions again came up for discussion and it was proposed that the Secretary indicated to write for same.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday September 22nd 1912

Bro. C. Barrow in Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. by H. Bowden & sec by Bro. W. Smith. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried

Pro. C. Barrow & Sec. A. Pearce. That the Secretary be instructed to write to Head Office for Rule Books as it was thought it was time we had the same. Carried.


Pro. W. Smith & Sec. A. Pearce. That the Secretary be instructed to take up with Bro. Pullen, New X, asking him if he had taken up our letter of August 11th re Cleaners Lobby. Carried.

Pro. C. Barrow & Sec H. Bowden. That the Secretary be instructed to take up with Bro. Pullen New X re 7.55 p.m. Goods from Newhaven to Norwood and 1.5. a.m. Goods from Norwood to Newhaven, not having sufficient brake power, 10 ton and one brake wooden blocks 40 to 50 on. Carried.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday October 6th 1912

Bro. C. Barrow in Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. by W. Smith & sec by Bro. L. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried.

Letter from Brighton, receipt from Head Office for branch dues and accepted as correct.

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on the Sunday October 20th 1912

Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair


Letters read from Brighton & Battersea, re better Conditions for Loco-men.

3 days Holidays with pay each year, 10 per cent drivers making 20 per cent to receive.

Drivers when Fireman to receive 5/- a day. First year Driving 6/-, 2nd 6/6.

Passed Fireman when in the Shed to receive 3/3 per day. First year firing 3/9 2nd 4/-, 4th 4/3, an additional 10 per cent making 20 per cent to receive 4/9 per day.

Increases in pay to start from Friday Sept. 27 from, Holiday from Oct 1st 1912.

Bro. L. Lower proposed & Bro. A. Pearce Seconded. 

That this branch express their obligation for their able manner in which they brought about such a successful settlement and think that we should not have gain any more through the Conciliation Board.

Bro. W. Smith proposed & Bro. H. Bowden seconded as an amendment. 

That was not satisfied with settlement and thought it ought to have gone to the Conciliation Board as he thought we should have got a weeks holiday and 4/9 for all fireman.

For the amendment 2, against 5, the amendment was lost.

Election of Organising Secretary to stand over, minutes read of last meeting, pro. A. Pearce & sec. H. Bowden. That they be accepted as a true record.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Nov. 3rd 1912

Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of the meeting, pro. Bro. A . Pearce & sec. L. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record.

Letter read from Head office re application for clerks

Book of tickets accept in aid of the Blind, also rule books to hand.


Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Nov. 17th 1912

Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair 

Minutes read of the meeting, pro. Bro. A . Pearce & sec. H. Bowden. That they be accepted as a true record.

Letter read from Battersea re open meeting also resolution from Battersea Branch re signatures of all person off men to assert them to get all station pass for them.

 

Pro. C. Barrow & Sec. A. Pearce. That this Branch does not think it will be any good having an open meeting for we shall get all the members we are gaining to get without a meeting. Carried.

Letter read from Brighton re Passed Fireman passes, also list of grievances. Pro. H. Bowden & Sec. W. Goldsmith. That the Secretary take up with Brighton Bro. J. Green. Holiday pass also Cleaners Lobby, and 8/- for drivers.

Pro. C. Barrow & Sec. A. Pearce. That Fredderick Charles Harris be a member of the Society.

Pro. H. Bowden & Sec W. Goldsmith. That Frederick Seager Sherwin be a member of the Society. Carried.

Voting paper for Organising Secretary filled up. 

 

 Above L.B.S.C.R Locomotive workings for October 1912

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Co operative Hall on Sunday Dec. 1st 1912

 

When a good muster was present to hear the report of Bro. Enves & Smith, re the recent concessions granted by the Directors.

Pro. By Bro. F. Smith & Sec. By Bro. C. Barrow. That Mr. Warwick be Chairman. Carried.

Mr. Warwick in a few remarks said no doubt the men knew what had been granted and he gave a brief outline how the concessions were brought about and said it he would ask Bro. Enves to give his report.

Bro. Enves dwelt with some length reading the correspondence that had passed between the deputation and the Officials and then gave his report of the meeting with the Board of Directors and said they were meeting Mr. Billinton to discuss certain points that they were not satisfied with 8/ for Drivers 4/9 for Firemen and holidays for Passed Cleaners also passes for Firemen.

Bro. Smith said he did not think he could say any more than what Bro. Enves had said but he felt confident that when they went next time they would get a weeks holidays and thanked all present for their support and hoped they do the same next time as they need not be afraid as the Officials did not look at the signatures.

Mr. Warwick then made a few remarks with regards to concessions of other railways and said the Company worked on a basis one with another and said he did not think the Company had given much away as his opinion was that the loco-men were the back bone of the Company and urged all men to belong to their own Organisation they could demand what they wanted.

Several questions were asked and answered in a most able manner by the Chairman and he said he hoped he would be able to come and see them again, this brought to a close a very successful meeting when Bro. F. Wilmshurst proposed a vote of thanks to the Chairman Seconded by A. Pearce. Mr. Warwick replied and proposed a vote of thanks to Bro. Enves & Smith, seconded by A.G. Wise. Bros. Enves & Smith replied.

 

* See District Organiser W. Warwick report below

(February’s 1913, Locomotive Journal)

 

 H. Hills Collection

 

The Locomotive Journal.

DECEMBER 1912

BY RAIL ACROSS THE ENGLISH CHANNEL.

By FELIX J. KOCH 

Perhaps no one report has caused so much interest in transportation circles, the world about, as that of a train-ferry being established across the English Channel. Tourists from the United States 

in particular, who have writhed and groaned with the mal-de-mer when making the Channel crossing, will no doubt be among the most grateful at the innovation. 

According to news just come from Rouen, the much-discussed question of establishing ferry-service between Dieppe, France, and Newhaven, England, is likely to soon become an established fact.

At present, passengers and freight are transferred, at one city or the other, from the railway cars to steamers, transported across the English Channel and again loaded on the railway. By having ferry steamers, upon which the entire train could be transported without disturbing passengers and freight, not only would much annoyance and expense be saved, but also a considerable amount of time, now necessary to make these transfers, would be cut off in trips between London and Paris.

To undertake this service an Inter- national Railway Company was formed in the year 1910. It now states that negotiations with an English railway have been favourably received, and that a Bill permitting the establishment of the ferry has passed the British Parliament. The railway in question, with the French West State Railways, own and operate the steamers now running between Dieppe and Newhaven, and it is therefore considered certain that the other line involved will agree to this plan.

The new ferry will not exceed in length the one which has been so successful between Sweden and Germany. It is hoped to have the project inaugurated within a year.

To Americans, of course, it recalls, in miniature, the great railway ferry across the Mississippi, some few miles beyond New Orleans, or, again, across the Straits of Canso, at Mulgrave, in Canada, or over the Detroit River at the Michigan City.

Of course, the experience on each is almost identical. At New Orleans, taking this for example, before one-half suspects it, the train has run on to a boat fitted with three tracks, on each of which some of the cars have been switched. Then one is ferried across. Usually some of the passengers are glad of the chance to climb up into the cab of the engine and study its construction. Above rises the bridge, with the ferry operators—all about is the muddy water, and beyond, again, the great crescent that marks the city.

One feels a slight shaking underfoot as he walks around the boat, otherwise you would not know you were moving. In fact, when one takes his seat in the dining- car, before the other bank is reached, he will have become used to it and feel wholly unconscious of motion. 

 

Victoria to Newhaven Continental Boat Train   

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Jan. 12th 1913

Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting, pro. F. Harris & sec. W. Smith. That they accepted as a true record.

Correspondence read from Brighton re interview with Mr. Billinton, also reply from General Manager, which was not very satisfactory.

Letter read from Bro. T. Hatcher Brighton Branch, asking for support for Annual Conference.

Locomens duties lists came up for discussion and it was Proposed by Bro. F. Harris & Seconded by Bro. A. Pearce. 

That the Secretary approach the Secretary of the A.S.R.S. asking for him for a copy of the same.


Orphan Fund came up for discussion, several going the same.

Report read of the dispute on the North Eastern and the part the Executive Committee took in the same.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting 

held at the White Hart on Sunday Jan. 26th 1913

Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. H. Bowden & sec. J. Green. That they accepted as a true record.

Letter  read from Brighton re interview with Mr. Billinton 10 hours to count as one days holiday 50 hours for 8 days over time to be paid at the rate of 8 hours after 60 hours.

Letter read from Eastbourne asking for our support for Bro. A. Marshall for Annual General Meeting.

Secretary stated he had seen A.S.R.S. Secretary re loco-men's duties list and it was decided to let the matter stand over.


Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Feb. 9th 1913

Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. A. Pearce & sec. L. Lower. That they accepted as a true record.

Letter read from Head Office re member being stood off owing to small pox being in East part of the Town.

Letter read from Brighton, also telegram re coupling up. Discussion took place on the same and 

 it was proposed by Bro. F. Harris & seconded by Bro. W. Smith. 

That this branch express it dissatisfaction at the way the Company are imposing upon the men re coupling engines and pledge their support to the delegate in their endeavour to stop it.

 

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL FEBRUARY 1913

Extracted from A.S.L.E.F. Organising Secretary W. Warwick's report

on his visit to the Newhaven Branch meeting, on Sunday, 1st December, 1912


The following morning, Sunday, I was astir betimes in order to leave for Newhaven, where an open meeting was called in the afternoon to hear reports from two delegates, who, with others, had waited on the directors of the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway. The concessions granted compare favourably with what have been granted by other companies, but the question is : what have we to compare with ? On the strength of the promise by the Government after August, 1911, that they would be allowed to recoup themselves from the pockets of the public for concessions granted, the railway companies have doled out a few meagre improvements, amounting in some instances to one shilling per week, or two-pence per day—just on a par with what any shopkeeper would think of offering his errand boy—an insult to a body of men like the footplate, and motormen of this country. Then each railway company has been very careful not to out-do the others in these extravagant concessions, or do anything which could in any way be construed into a precedent, at the same time taking care to so jumble up conditions, wages, &c, that no two companies' men are receiving anything like the same remuneration for the same services performed. Of course, the astute official knows this gives him a fine trump card up his sleeve, so to speak, and while the men are content to approach them as particular companies they can always ring the changes on that card by asking the very innocent question: "What other company's men are there that are better paid than you are ? "

But to come back to the Newhaven meeting. I took the chair, and the delegates gave their report, which, as before said,was satisfactory by comparison. But there was one or two present who soon made it clear by their questions that with them it was not a question of whether the new conditions were satisfactory or not ; they were present to show their disapproval of the manner in which they had been obtained, viz., by and through members of the Associated Society. Needless to say, these were the men who had pinned their faith to an all-grade society. As chairman, I did not attempt to stifle discussion, but allowed all the latitude possible, using both argument and diplomacy to try and get at the why and wherefore. But I found these men at Newhaven were not a bit more intelligent on these matters than others I have met; and so I failed to get anything more from them than the fact that they couldn't leave the shed unless the signalman turned the points, and they couldn't shunt the train unless there was a shunter present. I have been wondering ever since what that had to do with the concessions and the way they were obtained. How-ever, I am pleased to say there are only one or two at Newhaven whose education has been neglected, and I hope the little branch I have opened there will soon bring them up-to-date. 

 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 9th 1913

 Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. F. Sherwin & sec. A. Pearce. That they accepted as a true record.

Letter read re coupling up of engines being settled also promise from General Manager re loco-men for Motor jobs.

Letter read asking for grievances at this depot so as the grievance committee can take up same.

One member claimed suspension pay and a strong discussion took place on the same and seeing the members was of a mix feeling on the matter it was Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin & Seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. 

That the Secretary be instructed to write to Brighton asking their ruling on the same.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting 

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 23rd 1913

 Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. H. Bowden & sec. W. Smith. That they accepted as a true record.

Letter read from Brighton re grievance meeting.

Bro. Bowden paid one days suspension pay.

Voting paper to hand for A.G.M

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting 

held at the White Hart on Sunday May 4th 1913

 Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. H. Bowden & sec. F. Sherwin. That they accepted as a true record.

Correspondence read from the delegation to the Officials, also reply from same dealing with the Electric question.

Report read from grievance committee re list of grievance settled

Letter of thanks from Eastbourne re A.G.M.

Secretary gave his report of delegates meetings. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting 

held at the White Hart on Sunday June 1st 1913

 Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. A. Pearce & sec. W. Smith. That they accepted as a true record.

Correspondence read and noted, discussion took place re oldest Fireman on passenger train and was decide that men affected see the Foreman.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting 

held at the White Hart on Sunday June 15th 1913

 Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. F. Sherwin & sec. A. Pearce. That they accepted as a true record.

Correspondence read and noted. Voting paper for T.U.C. to hand.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on the Sunday September 28th 1913

 Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Correspondence read re Loco-men being paid for learning the electric in their own time.

Discussion took place re. Bro. W. Smith’s illness and it was decided to each pay 4 pence and clear his card and see what could be done with a substitution list later on.

Proposed by Bro. J. Green & Seconded Bro. A. Pearce. That Albert Simmonds be admitted as a member of this Society.

Bro. Goldsmith undertook to sell draw tickets in aid of the blind. 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on the Sunday November 30th 1913

 Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read and discussed, pro. F. Sherwin & sec. W. Smith. That they accepted as a true record.

Discussion took place re Clearing members card, Pro. by Bro. H. Bowden & Sec. by C. Barrow. 

That each member shall pay 3 pence and clear the same. Carried.

Resolution from Brighton Branch was read re electric trains. Pro. Bro. F. Sherwin & Sec. by Bro. W. Smith. That we support the same.
Minutes to hand of Delegates meeting held at London Nov. 3rd. Accepted.
Letter from Head Officer re Great Western men’s resolution of Nov. 28th and noted.
Letter read asking for list of grievances and it was decided the same stand over.

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on the Sunday December 28th 1913

 Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair

Minutes read of last meeting, pro. W. Smith & sec. A. Pearce. That they accepted as a true record.

Letter read re L.N.W. men action in regards motormen’s position.

 


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1914 -17

Chairman Bro. A. Pearce

Vice Chair Bro. W. Smith 

Secretary Bro. F. Wilmshurst



 



There was no recorded Branch meetings between December 28th 1913 -  July 27th 1917

Discussion took place regards clearing members card, Pro. C. Barrow & Sec. W. Smith. 

That a fund be raised to clear the same and that we pay half-penny per week and Bro. A. Pearce be collector.

 Questions then arose see we have Full & Half Benefit members how should clear cards. Pro. W. Smith & Sec. A. Pearce. That we should pay protection only of 4d. Carried.

Election of Officers

Pro. Bro. C. Barrow & sec. D. Boyle that A. Pearce be Chairman

Pro. Bro. D. Boyle & sec. J. Green that W. Smith be Vice Chairman

Pro Bro. C. Pearce & sec Bro. D. Boyle that F. Wilmshurst be Secretary

H. Bowden Check Steward.

Committee

F. Harris, F. Sherwin, J. Green, C. Barrow & D. Boyle, be on the Committee for 12 months.

 

 Minutes of the a Special Meeting Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday July 29th 1917


The meeting was called at the instructions of Head Office to discuss the National Programme and correspondence arising out of the same.

The Chairman being absent, it was proposed by Bro. Harris & seconded by Bro. Goldsmith. That Bro. A. Leonard take the Chair. Carried Unan.

Bro. Leonard in opening the meeting gave a very good report of the open meeting held at Brighton on the 22nd and enlightened the membership very much, the National Programme was fully discussed and correspondence arising out of the same from our E.C., and it was decided that the following resolution be sent to our E.C.,also to our Delegate (Bro. Niner St Leonards)

Pro. By A. Leonard & Sec by Bro. W. Smith. That we, the members of Newhaven Branch appreciate the endeavours of our E.C. In trying to improve the conditions of service of loco-men, and we hereby pledge our support in action it may be necessary to take in order to bring about the designed result, especially in regards to the eight hour question. Carried Unam.

Pro F. Harris & Sec. J. Green. That Edward Cyril Veverines be admitted as a member of this Society. Carried

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Aug. 12th 1917

Proposed by Bro. H. Bowden & sec. F. Harris. That Bro. A. Leonard take the Chair.

Previous minutes of Special Meeting read, held Sunday July 29th. Proposed Bro. H. Bowden & sec. F. Sherwin. That they be recorded as a true record. Carried.

A strong discussion took place on the question of the 8hour movement and a the proposal of the Newhaven Branch in the event of a stoppage, it was pro. F. Sherwin & sec. H. Bowden. That this meeting be adjourned for further information. Carried.

Voting papers for Bro. E. Croham. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Nov. 4th 1917

Pro. F. Sherwin & sec. H. Bowden. That D. Boyle take the Chair. Carried.

It was regrettable that our worthy Secretary Br. Wilmshurst was not able to be with us owing to illness.Bro. A. Leonard read minutes of previous meeting, moved by Bro. C. Barrow & sec. F. Sherwin. That minutes be posted as a true a record. Carried.

Correspondence be dealt with considerably discussion took place re delegations interview with Mr. Jackson Acting Loco Superintendent and the offer he had made re holidays and the ratings, of Firemen and Drivers was suggested that cleaners should have 3 days and after being passed as firemen 12 months to be entitled to 6 days. A number of cleaners were expected at the meeting but for some they did not put in appearance..

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday December 30th 1917 at 7.0 p.m 

When we had a pleasant surprise our worthy Chairman being on leave paid us a visit and took the Chair. Bro. A. Pearce retold some of the trials and hardships he had gone through and longed for the time to come back with us. 

The minutes of the previous meeting was read and accepted and correspondence read and discuss.

Election of Officers took place when it was proposed by Bro. A. Pearce & sec. by F. Wilmshurst. 

That D. Boyle be Chairman.

Propoed by Bro. A. Leonard & seconded Bro. J. Rye. That W. Goldsmith be Vice Chairman

Proposed by Bro. A. Pearce & Seconded by Bro. D. Boyle. That Bro. A. Leonard be Secretary.

Proposed by Bro. A. Leonard & Seconded by Bro. J. Rye that Bros. F. Sherwin, J. Rye, H. Bowden, E. Leach, F. Wilmshurst be on the Committee, and 

W. Smith Check Steward.

 


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1918

Chairman Bro. D. Boyle

Vice Chair Bro. W. Goldsmith 

Secretary Bro. A. Leonard



 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 3rd 1918

 Bro. W. Goldsmith in the the Chair

 

It was proposed by Bro. A. Leonard & sec. by Bro. C. Barrow. That C.H. Munn & J. Hillman be admitted  Cleaner members (Scale 6) Carried Unan.

The minutes of the last meeting were read and accepted as a true record,

Correspondence was read then dealt with, which included letter from the Secretary of the local Trades and Labour Council, with the result that members present decided that we as a Branch should become affiliated to this council. It was proposed by Bro. C. Barrow & sec. by Bro. H. Bowden. That Bro. W. Goldsmith be one delegate. Proposed by Bro. W. Goldsmith & sec. Bro. C. Barrow. That Bro. A Leonard be a delegate. It was proposed by H. Bowden & sec. by Bro. J. Newman. That Bro. C. barrow be a delegate substitute . Proposed by Bro. A Leonard & sec by Bro. H. Bowden. That Bro. F. Wilmshurst be a delegate substitute. Carried/   

Discussion then arose re the instructions of our Loco Foreman for men to book off under 10hrs. per day on certain turns, after some discussion it was decided that the Secretary should write to Bro. J. Enves Brighton on the subject.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday April 7th 1918


Our Chairman Bro. D. Boyle accepted the Chair, Bro. W. Goldsmith in Vice Chair.

The first item on the agenda was the mites of the previous meeting which were read and passed as correct.

Correspondence was dealt with on various subjects and discussion arose re the same, also the 10 hrs question, a suggestion was made as regards the meeting night it was thought by some members present that we should get  quite as present on a week night and it was thought advisable to give it a trial.

New members, Pro. by A. Leonard & Sec. by F. Sherwin. 

That Cleaners S. Lower, V.P. Bannister & A.S. Norman be admitted Cleaner members of this Society. Carried Unam.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday June 20th 1918

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair.

 

The minutes of the last meeting were read and passed as correct. 

Several items of correspondence were read, March Quarterly receipts presented, as this was the first meeting since the quarters dues were sent.

Bro. A. Leonard gave a brief report of the Trades & Labour Council meeting and asked for one delegate to be nominated to serve on the proposed Parliamentary and Local election committee, that was being formed. It was proposed by Bro. J. Rye & sec. by Bro. Bowden. That Bro. F. Wilmshurst should serve. Carried. Bro. A. Leonard pointed out that Bro. Wilmshurst was delegate substitute, and he did not know if it would be agreeable to the Trades Council, it was then proposed that if the nomination was not acceptable that Bro. A. Leonard should stand. Carried.

Nominations were asked for the Urban District Council, owing to the small number of members present it was decided not to nominate.

It was proposed that we should hold our two next meetings on week nights if could be arranged, to see if we could get a better attendance, to be held on Tuesdays if possible. 

Bro. A. Leonard proposed & Bro. Goldsmith seconded that Cleaner E. Collington become a Cleaner member. Carried.

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Aug. 25th 1918

with Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair

 

The minutes of the last meeting were read, it was proposed by Bro. Wilmshurst & sec by Bro. F. Sherwin. That they be passed as correct. Carried.

Correspondence were read which included papers from the Land Nationalisation Society, this matter was allowed to lay on the table.

A collection list was reined on behalf of Bro. G. Wilde, but there not any letter explaining, and this matter was left on over.

A letter was received from Bro. J. Enves with copy of letter from Mr. Jackson with regards to delegation business, the following resolution was passed in reference to the same. That this meeting considers Mr. Jackson's reply to the delegation very unsatisfactory, and urge the delegates to press for an interview with Mr. Jackson if unable to obtain the same, to ask for an interview with the Hon Board of Directors. Bro. J. Newman's case then discussed and the Secretary said that he was expecting an interview with Mr. Moore re the same, the meeting thought it advisable to write to Mr. Moore direct for an interview, and to leave the matter in the hands of the Secretary.Carried.

Bro. D Boyle who attend the Trades 7 Labour Council meeting held on August 8th owing to the unavoidable absence of delegates, the report was read, and it was considered by the members to be an exceptional good report

The Secretary read a copy of the alterations to the Benevolent Fund, & Protection Retiring & death Fund. Several members said they would join the new Assurance Fund, which was considered to be very good one new member admitted, one pleasing feature at this meeting was the attendance of some of our younger members which we hope will improve.

The Special collection on behalf of our Political Fund raised 3/-. Bro. F. Wilmshurst proposed & Bro. F. Harris scolded that Bro. F. Sherwin be Labour Council in place of Bro. C. Barrow. carried.

 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Oct. 20th 1918


Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair owing to the absence of our Chairman.

The first on the agenda was the minutes of the last meeting which were read and passed as correct.

Correspondence was dealt with which included circular letters from Head office re the recent War wage increase, and the recent Railway strike, which explained the position of our members in reference to the same. Copy of report of Delegation meeting with our Officials at Brighton L. Billinton Esq., J.M. Jackson & E.S. Moore, was received from Bro. J. Enves. The various items were discussed and the question of calling an open meeting in reference to the same. It was advised that the Secretary should write bro. J. Enves for further information in regards to the questions which had been brought up at the delegates meeting at Brighton, especially referring to the 8 hours per day and transfer of loco-men to the electric system, also with regards to the question of seniority, the question was also raised about making an application to be allowed to join the 1st class of the Company's Pension Fund, and it was pointed out that some men at the present time did not avail themselves to go into higher scales which they were entitled to. The Secretary gave a report of an interview he had with Mr. Richardson at Brighton re Bro. Newman's case.

 

 Minutes of the Open Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Nov. 3rd 1918

To discuss report of delegates meeting with Loco Officials at Brighton. There was a fair attendance of members also some N.U.R. members, it was agreed that Bro. A. Leonard should act as Chairman. 

The correspondence was then read and considerable discussion arose on various points raised. It was agreed that the 8 hour per day work would be very acceptable if it could be obtained, but doubt was expressed as to it success at the present time.

Re transfer of Loco men to electric, the men thought that the older men who were displace should have the opportunity of transferring to the electrics without loss of pay. The men considered that to be a question to be dealt with by the General Manager on the Hon. Board of Directors, as regards seniority the men were of the opinion that seniority should could from the Fireman, a man was passed as fireman. 

Re Pension Fund the men thought that if the pension age was brought down to 60 years instead of 65 as at present, would encourage men to go into the higher scales, the men present said that it would be a good thin if we were enabled to transfer to the 1st class, 

The men present at the meeting expressed opinion that it would be more satisfactory if a delegate who was present came and gave report of the interview.

Meeting closed about 8.45. 

 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Open Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Dec. 1st 1918

In reference to correspondence received from Head Office re 8hr negotiations, also re local matters that involved alteration. Dealing with the 8hr question it was proposed by Bro F. Sherwin and Seconded by W. Smith. That Bro. A. Leonard be delegate to the District Council meeting if convened (Carried). The question of pilot men being booked on short hours on Saturdays to bring men on at 11.30 p.m. Saturday nights and causing these to work 11 to 11 ½ hours, the greater paid which was worked on Sunday,also men being booked on 10 hr days on Sundays, these matters were discussed and it was proposed that the care should be put before Mr. Moore. It was proposed by Bro. W. Goldsmith & Seconded by F. Sherwin. That the Secretary write to Mr. Moore asking him to grant an interview to Bro. F. Wilsmhurst and A. Leonard in respect of the same (Carried Unanimous). There being a further meeting at the Co-op Hall under the auspices of the Local Trades & Labour Council for the adoption of a Labour Candidate for Lewes division, the men present were invited to attend.

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Open Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Dec. 8th 1918

 Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair

On the instructions from Head Office, to hear report and receive instruction re the 8hr movement. 

Correspondence was first dealt with and Bro. Leonard who was elected delegate to the District Council member gave report of the meeting held at the Labour Institute, Fort Road, Bermondsey on Fri Dec. 6th 1918 our delegate said that Bro W. Stevenson our E.C. Member came to the delegate meeting after been negotiating with the government. He pointed out how Sir A Stanley had tried to get the question put off until after the election, our E.C. would not have it, and informed Sir A. Stanley that our men not wait until March for the 8hr to be brought into operation. Sir A. Stanley eventually agreed to meet our E.C. At Manchester & London and that they had agreed on Feb 1st 1919. after hearing the report of our delegate the following resolution was passed. That this open meeting for loco-men sincerely appreciates the firm stand made by the E.C. Of the A.S.L.E. & F. in their demand for the redemption of the pledge given to them by the Government in August 1917, which has resulted in the obtaining for Loco-men the 8hr per day.Moved by Bro. W. Goldsmith & Sec. Bro. J. Rye.

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Further Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Dec. 8th 1918

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


Dealing with Branch business. The minutes of the Special and Ordinary meetings were read and passed correct.

Correspondence dealt with and arising out of that it was moved by Bro. J. Green & sec. F. Sherwin. That a letter be sent to Mr. Moore withdrawing our application for an interview as matters have been rectified. Carried Unam.

The rest of business was the election of Officers for 1919.

Pro. by Bro. J. Rye & sec Bro. F. Sherwin. 

That Bro. F. Wilmshurst be Chairman

Pro by Bro. W. goldsmith & sec. Bro. J. Green 

That Bro. F. Sherwin be Chairman.

Voting as follows Bro. F. Wilmshurst 3, Bro. F. Sherwin 6, Bro. F. Sherwin elected

It was proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin & sec. by Bro. J. Rye, 

That Bro. J. Green be Vice Chairman Carried Unan.

It was proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst & sec. W. Goldsmith 

That Bro. A. Leonard be Secretary Carried Unan.

It was proposed by Bro. J. Rye & sec. by Bro. A. Leonard 

That the Committee consist of the following members, 

Bros. F. Wilmshurst, J. Rye, W. Goldsmith, H. Bowden, & J. Lower. Carried Unan.

Proposed by  Bro. A. Leonard & sec. Bro.  F. Sherwin That Bro. D. Boyle be Sick Visitor Carried.

 


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1919

Chairman Bro. F. Sherwin

Vice Chair Bro. J. Green 

Secretary Bro. A. Leonard



 

Proposed by Bro. W. Goldsmith & sec. F. Sherwin. That Bro. J. Giles be Check Stewart.

Proposed W. Goldsmith & sec. F. Sherwin. That we get the Organising Secretary for Open Meeting Carried

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch a Special Meeting

held at the White Hart on Thursday Jan. 9th 1919


 

The meeting was called to discuss the situation caused by the strike at Brighton also in reference to loco-me having to go to Lewes to do work of the men that was on strike, also to get the views of the men in reference to these items, so that it could be understood by the other unions whether we were prepared to give support or not.


Bro. W. Goldsmith was elected to the Chair. 


A letter was read from the Brighton Strike Committee also telegram which was discussed, re telegram was also read from Head Office instructing members to keep at work and not to refuse duty. 

Bro. Leonard gave a report of meetings, which had been called for all Trade Unionists, after discussion it was moved by Bro. Stoner & Sec. Bro. Barber. 

That this meeting decided to stand by our E.C. and take no part in the present strike. (Carried Unam.).

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Jan. 26th 1919

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


The minutes of the previous meetings read and passed correct.


Correspondence dealt with which included items from District council, one received from Brighton Branch stating they had elected Bro. H. Funnell for their representative on the District Council, after some discussion it was proposed by Bro. Wilmshurst & sec. W. Smith.

That while we agree to Brighton sending a representative, at the present time that the smaller branches who are grouped with Brighton should have the opportunity of sending a delegate alternately (Carried Unam).


December Quarterly returns presented, the Secretary explained why the receipt did not correspond with the account sent to Head Office, it was owing to the ft the entrance fees to the new Assurance Fund had been entered in the column for Society Int Fees, and the Secretary said that he had instructions that it was not to be entered there in the future, also that money for the Branch Fund was not to be deducted from the quarterly dues, but a claim sent to Head Office for same. The members present accept the Secretary’s statement. It was moved by Bro. F. Wilmshurst & sec. by  Bro. W. Goldsmith (Trustees for Branch Fund). That the Secretary hold the balance of fund 1/6/. Carried.


Bro. W. Goldsmith gave report of Trades & Labour Council meeting.

 

 This photo was probably taken in c1919, when double manning of locos were introduce as a result of the introduction of the eight hour day being implemented. Each loco prior to 1919 had one dedicated driver and after 1919 the loco was shared between to dedicated drivers. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch a Special Meeting

held at the White Hart on Thursday February 6th 1919


Owing to the Secretary having received a letter from the General Secretary calling our members out in support of the Electric Motormen who were on strike over the question of food time during the 8 hour day. 


Brother F. Sherwin was in the chair and a fair number of members present including two N.U.R. Loco-men, after correspondence had been read and telegrams from Brighton Branch. 

Some discussion took place, and the Secretary reed rule 24 to the members. It was moved by Bro. F. Wilmshurst & Seconded by A. Stoner. 

That meetings be held at 12 noon at the White Hart (Carried Unam) 

Strike Committee:- Bros. A. Leonard, F. Sherwin, W. Goldsmith, Proposed by F. Wilmshurst & Seconded W. Goldsmith. That F. Harris be on Committee. Pro. F. Wilmshurst & Sec. F. Harris that H.G. Bowden be on the Committee (Carried Unam.). 


The Secretary stated that he received the letter on Wednesday afternoon not in time to arrange for meeting the same day, and that he see our Chairman and Bro. Wilmshurst in reference to it, and that they agreed that if called upon to do duty on the next day other than their booked turn of duty they would refuse, it happened on Thursday morning that our Secretary was called upon to work a passenger train usually worked by Brighton men and he had refused to work it, but finished his own turn of duty.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 9th 1919

Bro. F. Sherwin was in the Chair

 

The minutes of the last Special and Ordinary meet ins were read and passed as correct.

Correspondence dealt with mostly in reference to the recent strike, E.C. Minutes presented and extracts read, arising out of the correspondence. 

Bro. F. Wilmshurst proposed & Bro. J. Rye seconded. 


That the Newhaven Branch decides to have a subscription list in aid of our Orphan Fund, to commemorate the 8 hour day, any sum acceptable (Carried Unam).


Bro. F. Sherwin (Chairman) then read a letter that he has received from Bro. A. Leonard resigning his position as Secretary of Newhaven Branch as he did not wish to be the cause of any friction between members, questions were asked as to the cause of friction, the Secretary explained his position and said he wished to leave the members free to taking any action they decided re men working here from other depots, after considerable discussion it was moved by Bro. Wilmshurst & Sec. H. Bowden. That Secretarys resignation be accepted (Carried Unam.). 


The Chairman then asked for nominations for position as Secretary. Bro. Wilmshurst was proposed but declined, Bro. Wilmshurst then proposed that Bro. A. Pearce be Secretary, Bro. Pearce stated that having only just returned from service that it would hardly be fair for him to take it on, seeing that he was not conversant with the present working, after further discussion the mover of the previous resolution Bro. Wilmshurst asked permission to move that it be rescinded Bro. H. Bowden agreed. Proposed Bro Wilmshurst & Bro. Bowden seconded. 


That previous resolution be rescinded and that the Secretary be asked to reconsider his resignation until the end of the year 1919 (Carried Unam). 


The Secretary stated that he was in the same position as before, and asked what action would be taken in the event of work being reduced at this depot, it was agreed that another member should be appointed to conduct any correspondence relating to this question with our Officials at Brighton. Bro. Wilmshurst then agreed in the event of our Secretary away before the end of the year, he would carry on until the end of 1919. It was moved by Bro. Pearce & seconded. That a vote of confidence be accorded to Bro. Leonard (Carried Unam.).


A letter was also read from the Secretary of the Local Labour Party re affiliation, seeing that only a small number of members pay in the Political Fund, it was decided not to take any action at present.

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday April 18th 1919

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


The minutes of the last meeting was and passed as correct.


Correspondence dealt with, quarterly receipts presented.


Bro. F. Wilmshurst & Bro. W. Smith seconded. 


That this Branch Secretary records its appreciation of the E.C. And the General Secretary for the able way in which they have conducted negotiations on our behalf (Carried Unam.). 


Two cases were dealt with Bros. J. Giles & A.G. Hubbard the members suspended made a statement to the meeting, after which Bro. Wilmshurst proposed & Bro. C. Barrow seconded. That the claim be allowed (carried Unam.).


Bro. A. Leonard proposed & F. Wilmshurst seconded. That Frederick Edward Brown and Edward Hillman become protected members of this Society. Carried


Bro. F. Wilmshurst moved & Bro. C. Barrow seconded. 


That a letter be sent to the Foremen, in regards to the reduction of work at this depot, and men being still employed here who have been transferred from other depots (Carried Unam.). 


Pro. By C. Barrow seconded by A. Pearce. 


That Bro. F. Wilmshurst should write the letter and hand same to Mr. Holton, the signatures of all spare Drivers at the meeting to attached to the letter, also years of service.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday May 4th 1919

Bro F. Sherwin in the Chair


The minutes of the last meeting read, Bro. F. Wilmshurst proposed and Bro. A. Pearce seconded, that the minutes be adopted.


Correspondence read, question were asked, Bro. Wilmshurst said that he had wrote and delivered the letter as requested to Mr. Holton, but had not had anything in reply to same. Bro. A. Leonard asked if the men concerned were satisfied as to the report to the present, as practically three weeks had lapsed since handing in the letter. Members present expressed their opinion and thought they might wait another week or two before taken further action.


The agenda for the Annual Assembly of Delegates May 20th, 1919 was before the meeting, it was proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst and seconded by Bro. J. Green. 

That the delegate to conference be instructs to oppose terms of arrangements before the A.S.L.E. & F. and the London Provincial Union of Licensed Vehicle Workers, it was pointed out that we accept to first come to an agreement with the Loco men in the N.U.R. (Carried Unan).


Voting paper for delegate to Labour Conference to hand.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch

a Special Meeting 

held at the White Hart on Sunday May 18th 1919

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Bro. F. Sherwin said that the meeting was called to appoint a Secretary in place of Bro. A. Leonard expecting to return to Tunbridge Wells. Pro. By A. Pearce & Seconded J. Green. 


That F. Wilmshurst be Secretary till end of year. Bro. Wilmshurst said he would accept the office but would like to see someone else take it as he did not like the idea of keep changing as would resign at the end of the year.


Minutes read of last meeting moved. Pro. A. Pearce & seconded Bro. C. Barrow. That the minutes be adopted. Correspondence read, questions were asked the question. Bro. F. Wilmshurst asked the question, seeing that the late Secretary thought that three was long enough for an answer to our letter and pressed us to go further on the question of his removal did not think that seeing he had a reply two weeks it was quite long enough. Bro. A. Leonard replied and stated that he was waiting for a reply from his letter asking on what conditions he was returning to Tunbridge Wells but was going to see if he could get a indication on Monday. After a strong discussion it was moved C. Barrow & seconded J. Green. That we wait and see what becomes of the interview. 

Bro. A. Leonard as asked for one new member. Moved F. Wilmshurst & second F. Sherwin a vote of thanks be recorded to our late Secretary. Carried.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday June 29th 1919

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair 


Minutes of the last meeting was read, proposed by Bro. F. goldsmith and seconded by Bro. C.J. Lower, that they be adopted.

Correspondence was read and the following resolution was proposed by H. G Bowden & seconded by M. Smith. 

That having discussed the reply received from the General Manager we are of the opinion that the reply is not satisfactory and press on our E.C. To press the matter further with a view to all men leaving the Company Service to start at the bottom of the ladder we pledge our support to the E.C. To get satisfaction. Carried

Bro. Hubbard complained of having to coal engines at cleaners rate of pay also having to help coaling after doing a nights cleaning after a discussion it was proposed by Bro. G Hubbard seconded by C.J. Lower that the Secretary take the matter up with the Loco Foreman. Carried.

Brothers Bowden and Smith complained of being kept firing and other men making overtime when they could have been driving, also still being retained on the goods were they cannot be got at when required. Pro Bro. H.G. Bowden & Sec Bro. W. Smith. Secretary take up with Loco Foreman on the matter. Carried. 

Two new members.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday August 10th 1919

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes of the last meeting was read, proposed by Bro. A. Pearce and seconded by Bro. M. Smith, that they be adopted. Discussion on the minutes took place and the Secretary gave a brief report of his interview with the Loco Foreman. Carried.


Numerous correspondence was read out and discussed, March quarterly receipts presented.


A strong discussion took place regards the work at this depot through the 8 hours and that we have several spare men. It was proposed by A. Pearce & seconded by H.G. Bowden. 


That the Secretary take up the Loco foreman and see if he could get more turns of duty at this depot. Carried. 


Proposed by M. Smith & seconded by A. Pearce. That William Brown be admitted as a member of this Society.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Monday Sept. 29th 1919


Minutes of last meeting read and confirmed, discussion took place on the last minutes regards more work at this depot. Secretary replied and gave his report regards his interview with the Foreman.


Letter read from Secretary of Brighton Branch and was received with some strong remarks after a strong discussion it was proposed that the Secretary take up with Brighton Branch & Head Office regards the same. 


Rule 24 discussed regards Strike pay as all men out in support of the cause.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Oct 19th 1919

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


The Chairman gave a report on the question of putting engines away and said he had an interview with the Foreman on the question and said he had booked a pair of men on the night shift and would start the day shift when he had the men.


Letters from Head Office read re the Strike also agenda for A.A.D. discussed.


Secretary asked for two delegates to attend Labour conference to be held at the Co operative Hall, Nov. 8th at 2.30p.m. 

Bro. A. Pearce proposed and Bro. M. Smith seconded that the Secretary attended. Carried

Bro. L. Lower proposed and Bro. C. Wood seconded that the Chairman attend. Carried

Bro. M. Smith proposed and Bro. A. Pearce seconded. That Bro. H Bowden be a sub delegate in case the others could not attended. Carried

Bro. H. bowden proposed and Bro. C. Wood seconded that Bro. A. Pearce be a sub delegate. Carried

Bro. W. Goldsmith made a strong appeal to the members present to pay the Rule 11 Levy.

A strong discussion took place in regards to changing our meeting place and it was decided to see if we could not find another room, the matter to up next meeting.    

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Dec 14th 1919

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting,proposed by Bro. M. Smith and seconded by Bro. D. Boyle. That they be passed as correct. Carried

A strong discussion took place arising out of the minutes with regards the moving of our Branch Room, when it was moved by D. Boyle & seconded by L. Lower that we stop at the same place. Carried.

Letters read from the Labour Party inviting our members be affiliate with them, when it was moved by Bro. 

W. Smith and seconded by Bro. A. Pearce. That we be come affiliated carried.


Correspondence read from Head Office re increase contributions and journals.


Election of Officers for 1920 took place.


Chairman Bro. F. Sherwin, 


Vice Chairman Bro. A. Pearce, 


Secretary Bro. F. Wilmshurst


Committee 

Bros. C. Barrow, W. Smith, P. Reed, J. Green, H. Bowden & D. Boyle. 


Moved by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. W. Smith. That meeting be held on the first Sundays in each month at 7.0p.m. Carried


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1920

Chairman Bro. F. Sherwin

Vice Chair Bro. A. Pearce 

Secretary Bro. F. Wilmshurst



  

could not attended. Carried

Bro. H. Bowden proposed and Bro. C. Wood seconded that Bro. A. Pearce be a sub delegate. Carried

Bro. W. Goldsmith made a strong appeal to the members present to pay the Rule 11 Levy.

A strong discussion took place in regards to changing our meeting place and it was decided to see if we could not find another room, the matter to up next meeting.    

 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Jan 4th 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin took the Chair

Very few members present, minutes read of the last meeting, proposed by Bro. A. Pearce and seconded Bro. P. Reed. That they be passed as correct.

Questions arising out of the minutes, Bro. F. Harris moved. That Secretary post notice up in Shed calling meetings. Carried.

Bro. H. Bowden proposed and Bro. A. Pearce seconded. 

That the meeting nights be last Sunday in the month instead of the first. Carried

Minutes of No. 5 District Council read and discussed.


Letter read from Head Office asking for resolution on

1, Nationalisation of Mines

2, Withdrawal of troops from Russia

3, Abolish Conscription.

After a little discussion it was moved by Bro. P. Reed & seconded by A. Pearce. That we stand by our E.C. in their action they should take, all members present voted in favour 7.

 

John Nash Collection 

 Platform 1 at Lewes

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Jan 31st 1920

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair

 

Minutes of last meeting was read and discussed and it was proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. J. Lower. That thy be accepted arising out of the minutes of the last meeting  to nationalisation of mines, the resolution of the last meeting was supported.


Letter from Maidstone branch re representation on District Council, one from each branch. Moved by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That we support Maidstone resolution. Carried. 


Letter read from Ash Branch asking for support to their letter to form a union to embrace the body of Loco workers mainly, Shedmen, coalmen, Washers out set to become affiliated to the A.S.L.E. & F. Moved by M.Smith that we support same. Carried.


Discussion arose over enginemen's lockers, when it was moved by C. Barrow & seconded by H. Bowden. That the Secretary take up with the Foreman over same. Carried.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 7th 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin was in the Chair

 

Minutes of last meeting was read and adopted, arising out of the minutes the question was asked about the resolution when the correspondence re nationalisation of mines was read. 

Secretary stated he had seen the Foreman about the men’s lockers, who had promised to obtain the same.

Bro. D. Boyle gave a very good report on his attending the Labour Party’s meeting, delegates was elected to represent us on the Labour Party, Bros. D. Boyle and L. Lower being the two elected.

A strong discussion took place on the circular posted in the shed on the question of walking time and the disposal of engines and it was proposed by D. Boyle & seconded by L. Lower. That the circular be accepted. Bro. F. Harris proposed as an amendment & Bro. T. Denman seconded. That the circular be not accepted. The amendment was carried. The question then arose in what way this matter was to be dealt with when it was proposed by F. Harris & seconded by C. Barrow. That the Secretary take up with the next delegation. Carried.

Bro. D. Boyle then spoke on the slackness of members not taking a more prominant part in the work of the Society and called for attention to the time was lost in discussions as said he wished to propose the following resolution.

That a definate period of time should be alloted for each meeting to be sub divided into say 10 minutes periods, and the member of each period after the reading of the correspondence, are available to equal the number of questions to be dealt with at that particular meeting, any questions absorbing more than that time, ie 10 minutes to be refered to an extra meeting, all questions to be given notice of to the Chairman at the commencent of the meeting may be held after the closing of the ordinary meeting on the same day.

There being no seconder to the resolution it was not carried.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 28th 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair

 

Minutes of the last meeting read, when it was proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. L. Lower. That they be accepted.


Bro. H. Christmas and Bro. J. Collins applied for suspension pay for irregular working of the electric staff. Moved by Bro. P. Reed & seconded by Bro. L. Lower. That the claim be paid.


Letter read from the Labour Party asking for support with the view of celebrating May Day. Moved by Bro. A. Pearce & seconded by W. Goldsmith. That we support same. Carried.


Letter read from the Docker Union protesting against the action of some of our members unloading coal and hope it will not accrue again. Noted.


Bro. C. Barrow asked Bro. Goldsmith wheater he had attended the Trades & Labour Council and if he wanted the Branch to take up the matter of his failing in his eyesight. Bro. Goldsmith replied that he had not attended and he would let the matter of his eyesight stand over.

 

 

Ron Terrill Collection

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday April 25th 1920

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. W. Smith. That minutes be accepted.


Letter from Labour Party and noted, letter from Head Office re settlement of Central Wages Board.


Bro. A. Pearce complained of being kept firing and sending to Brighton for drivers after some discussion it was decided for the Secretary to take up with the Foreman.


Bro. W. Smith complained of being firing at times when ought to be employed as a Shed Driver after some discussion it was decided for the Secretary to take up with the Foreman. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday July 5th 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, moved by Bro. H. Christmas and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That minutes be accepted.


Letter was read from Tunbridge Wells re eyesight test and was much appreciated.


Letter from Bro. Langridge, Eastbourne, offering to stand as delegate for District council. moved Bro. P. Reed and seconded Bro. L. Lower. That Bo. Langridge stand as delegate.


Bro Hubbard complained of doing coal-man's work and receiving cleaners pay for same after a discussion and the rule of the agreement was read it was moved by Bro A. Pearce & seconded by Bro. J. Green. That the Secretary be instructed to write to Mr. Billinton asking for pay for the time the man had been doing the higher grade work failing a satisfactory reply to put the matter in the hands of Head Office.


A long discussion took place in regards the Harbour works engine be transferred to the Loco Dept and it was thought that we could not do anything on the matter all the time men was confined to their own job but watch events.

One new member


RON TERRILL COLLECTION 

Unknown group of Newhaven loco-men outside Newhaven Loco -Shed, includes Bill Terrill first left 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Aug 1st 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, moved by Bro. D. Boyle and seconded by Bro. A. Pearce. That minutes be accepted.


Correspondence read and noted reply from Mr. Billinton received it stating that Bro. G. Hubbard claim would be paid.


A discussion took place on the question of a rate driver doing shed duties also sending to Brighton for drivers when we had drivers when it was moved by Bro. A. Pearce & seconded by Bro. D. Boyle. That the Secretary write to Mr. Billinton calling his attention to same after a heated discussion it was proposed that we approach the Foreman first and if it was not stopped to lay the case direct to Brighton.


Receipt for June quarter read and noted.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Sept 3rd 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting, moved Bro. D. Boyle and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That minutes be accepted. Questions arising out of the minutes was asked, Secretary replied.


Correspondence was read and noted.


Bro. C. Lower raised the question of spare firemen being paid three hours for washing out also Cleaners washing out for Cleaners pay, after a discussion it was decided that the Secretary write to Head Office for information.


Bro G. Hubbard informed the Branch that he had received the back money for doing coal man wok for which he thanked them.


One new member. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Oct 3rd 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes of last meeting was rearm moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. J. Green. That minutes be accepted.


Discussion arising out of the minutes re cleaners washing out and reply from Head Office was read after some discussion it was moved by P. Reed & seconded by J. Green. 


That Secretary take up with Brighton on the matter. Secretary replied and moved as an amendment that each member make out an application for his back pay by doing so he thought it would be the means of getting higher grade thats the same as the traffic. Carried.


Bro. G. Hubbard brought up the question of getting his money and said he thought there ought to be some arrangements made to get the same. After some discussion it was decided to let it stand over till next meeting, but Bro. Hubbard was advised to apply at the Marine Shops on Friday for his money.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Oct 31st 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair

 

Minutes of last meeting was read, moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. G. Hubbard. That minutes be accepted.


Correspondence was read re the Miner's strike, Secretary sated that seeing that there was not enough time to have a meeting on the Sunday, as the notice did not arrive till late Saturday, he and the Chairman attended an open meeting of the N.U.R. and drafted a resolution from that meeting. Moved by P. Reed & seconded by Bro. H. bowden. That the Secretary action be endorsed. Carried.


Bro. Hubbard stated that it was not possible to get his money at the shops. Moved by Bro. F. Harris & seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That Secretary see the Foreman with a view of letting one one go and get their money. Carried


Moved by Bro. F. Harris & seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That he thought that we ought to apply for a sheet for tender first working, after a discussion it was decided to let it stand over till next meeting when normal working may be started.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Nov. 28th 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes of the last meeting was read, moved by Bro. F. Harris and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That minutes be accepted.


Correspondence was read and noted.


Moved by Bro. F. Harris and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That the question left over from the last meeting should again be discussed. After a discussion it was moved by Bro. F. Harris & seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That the Secretary write to Mr. Billinton through the Loco Foreman, with the view of supplying a sheet for tender first running. Carried.


Election of Officers held over till next meeting as there was not sufficient members interested in the cause to attend.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Dec. 19th 1920

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair

 

Good muster present

Minutes of last meeting was read, moved by Bro. F. Harris and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden. That minutes be accepted.


Correspondence was read and noted.


Moved by Bro. F. Harris. That letter be sent to Bro. M. Smith who is in Hospital, explaining the ruling of the Branch. Carried. Moved that Bro. A Pearce be asked to write the letter. 


Election of Officers took place when the following was elected

Chairman Bro. F. Sherwin

Vice Chairman Bro. H. Bowden

Secretary Bro. F. Wilmshurst

Assistant Secretary Bro. A. Pearce

Committee 

Bros.C. Barrow, P. Reed, J. Green, D. Boyle, E. Hillman & J. Giles

 


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1921

Chairman Bro. F. Sherwin

Vice Chair Bro. H. Bowden 

Secretary Bro. F. Wilmshurst

Asst. Secretary A. Pearce


 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Jan. 23rd 1921

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair

 

Minutes of last meeting was read, moved by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. J. Giles. That minutes be accepted.


Correspondence from Head Office was read and discussed


A strong discussion took place on the question of appointing delegates to work with the N. U. R. on a Shed Committee That Bros. A. Pearce, F. Wilmshurst, & F. Sherwin stand for Shed Committee.

 

A discussion then took place on the question of the number seeing that the N.U.R. had elected three and we had got the majority we ought to have more. Moved by F. Harris & seconded by P. Reed. That we elect four. Carried. Moved  by F. Brown & Seconded by J. Thompsett. That Bro. T. Denman stand. Carried.


Meeting closed with 27 present

the best meeting we have had


 

Ron Terrill Collection

Bill Terrill standing on Loco No. 443

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Feb 10th 1921

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes of last meeting read and discussed, moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. F. Harris. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried.


Letter read from the N.U.R. Re Shed Committee and after a strong discussion it was moved by Bro. F. Harris & Seconded by Bro. P. read. That we accept the resolution of January 16th of joint meeting and that Bro. T. Denman be asked to stand down from Shed Committee. Carried.


Correspondence from Head Office in regards the shooting of railway men in Ireland and the E.C. Decision to withdraw its members. A strong discussion ensued when it was moved by Bro. W. Goldsmith & seconded by Bro. F. Harris. 

That this Branch gives their support to our E.C. In any action they may take in this fight for justice. 

Bro. C. Barrow moved as an amendment & Bro. A. Pearce seconded. 

That seeing that there was so much out of work that we wait and see what other branches was going to do. on the vote be taken the amendment was carried.


This closed the meeting with 24 being present which goes to show that the members are taking more interest in the work of their branch.

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 27th 1921

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes of last meeting was read and discussed, moved by Bro. A. Pearce and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That minutes be adopted.


Correspondence read from Head Office and noted re unemployed Firemen, which showed that the Society was looking after the interest of our cleaner members.


Questions was sake about the Shed Committee, Secretary replied, this closed the meeting as everyone present seemed satisfied.

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday May 1st 1921

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes of last meeting was read and discussed, moved by Bro. D. Boyle and seconded by Bro. J. Green. That minutes adopted.


Correspondence read from Head Office re miners dispute and cause of the strike being called off, questions was asked and discussed. 

 

   Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Thursday May 5th 1921

Bro. H.G. Bowden in the Chair 


Minutes of last meeting was read and discuss, moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. W. Smith. That minutes adopted.


Correspondence read from Head Office and discussed.


Moved W. Goldsmith & seconded A. Pearce. That the whole of money received from days off be forwarded for benefit of the miners family. 


Moved by P. Reed as an amendment and seconded by W. Smith. That each member be free to give as he likes. On a vote being taken Bro. Reed’s amendment was carried.

Meeting closed at 8.15, not many members present.

 

Ron Terrill Collection

Unknown, Bill Terrill & Unknown in 1921

 on a Class B4 No.64 'Norfolk'

 

 

Ron Terrill Collection

Bill Terrill on a Class B4 No.64 ‘Norfolk'

 

                                                                                                                                                      Ron Terrill Collection               

unknown, unknown Bill Terrill Unknown on a Class B4 No.64 ‘Norfolk' 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Aug 29th 1921

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes of last meeting was read and discussed, moved by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden. That minutes be adopted. Carried.

 

Correspondence was read from Head Office and dismissal, discussion took place over the dismissal of Bro. H. Cotlington. Secretary explained what action he had taken and also read a reply from Mr. Billinton respecting the same. After a long discussion it was moved by Bro. P. Reed & seconded by Bro. A. Rookley. 


That Secretary take up with the Shed Committee to see if anything more could be done.


Bro. E. Brooks asked if something could be done to stop the goods men going on the pilots and making overtime. Secretary explained that it was a matter for the Shed Committee.


Moved by Bro. H. Bowden & sec. By Bro. E. Brooker. 


That Secretary lay the matter before Shed Committee as soon as possible. Carried.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Dec. 11th 1921

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair

 

Minutes of last meeting was read and discussed, moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. A. Pearce. That minutes be adopted.


Correspondence was read and discussed.


Election of officers for 1922 took place.

Chairman Bro. A. Pearce

Vice Chairman Bro. C. Barrow

Secretary Bro. F. Wilmshurst

Asst. Secretary Bro. D. Boyle

Committee Bros. P. Reed, C. Jenner, F. Sherwin, E. Bennett, A. Norman & E. Dotterill.


Bros. F. Sherwin and A. Pearce resigned from the Shed Committee.Bros. D. Boyle and E. Dotterill was elected to fill there places.


One new member.


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1922

Chairman Bro. A. Pearce

Vice Chair Bro. C. Barrow 

Secretary Bro. F. Wilmshurst

Asst Secretary Bro. D. Boyle

  

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Feb 26th 1922

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair

 

Minutes read of the last meeting and discussed, moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That they be adopted.


Correspondence read from Head Office dealing with increase contributions and benefit for Cleaners, also resolution from Head Office dealing with the discharge of Cleaners.


Circular read from E. C. calling on all members to a levy to build up a fighting fund.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 26th 1922

 Bro. A Pearce in the Chair

 

Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, moved by Bro. D. Boyle and seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That minutes be accepted.


Correspondence read from Head Office and discussed.


The Secretary explained the working of the Railway Councils and asked every member to there own member.


Letter read from Labour Party, asking this Branch to become affiliated to same. 


Secretary explained  that this Society did not allow any funds for Labour purposes only Trades and Labour Councils, and if  they wanted to be become affiliated they must find the money. After a long discussion it was moved by Bro. D. Boyle and seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin.


That Secretary send 5/- to the Labour Party and the members collect same amongst themselves. Carried

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday June 25th 1922

 Bro. A Pearce in the Chair

 

Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, moved by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. D. Boyle. That minutes be accepted. Carried


Correspondence read from Head Office and discussed.


Discussion took place in regards taking away three turns from this depot, after a lengthy discussion and several members had expressed their views, it was moved by Bro. H. Bowden & seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. 


That Secretary appeals to Brighton through the local Foreman, asking them to consider this depot with a view of more work here. Carried

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Aug 27th 1922

Bro. D. Boyle in the Chair

 

Minutes read from last meeting, moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That minutes be accepted. Arising out of minutes, Secretary read letter he wrote to Brighton and explained the out come of it, in regards to putting engines 

away, not sufficient time being allowed and that it had been altered, also stated he had settled Bro. Goldsmith Assurance Claim. 


Correspondence was read from Head Office and discussed. Much comment was expressed to the letter referring to 

defaulting Secretaries.

 

 

   Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Sept 24th 1922

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


Minutes read from last meeting and discussed, moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. H. Christmas. That minutes be accepted. carried.


Correspondence read from Head Office re certain company reducing cleaners wages, which was discussed.

 

Letter read from Secretary of Sectional Council re supply of summer & winter cap discussion took place when it was moved by Bro. P. Reed & seconded by Bro F. Sherwin. That we accept the cap as per agreement. Carried.


Letter read from Brighton Branch asking us to arrange open meeting, Secretary stated he had wrote to Brighton stating that it was not convenient for us to arrange a meeting, but would arrange for a party to come over to Brighton.


Moved by Bro. D. Boyle & seconded by Bro. H. Bowden that the Secretary's action be endorsed. Carried.


Complaint was raised in regards to washing out, and after a lengthy discussion it was moved by Bro W. Niner & seconded by Bro. H. Bowden. 


That Secretary take up with the Foreman with a view of the Senior Firemen doing washing out. Carried.


Complaint was raised in regards to the 8 spare Fireman turns caused some plain speaking and heated arguments the Secretary pointed out they would loose their firing. It was moved by Bro. C. Barrow & seconded by Bro. A. Rookley. 


That the Secretary take up with foreman with a view of getting the spare fireman to work in gangs senior fireman to work in each gang. carried.


Also that Cleaners be put up on the list for duty. Carried.


Complaint was raised in regards to the state of the sanitary pans and also the lockers. moved by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by D. Boyle.


That Secretary take the matter up. Carried


Meeting closed about 9.0 .p.m., there being a good muster present and the best meeting the history of the Branch.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Oct 29th 1922

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair

 


Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, moved by Bro. W. Goldsmith and seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That minutes be accepted. Carried. Questions was raised arising out of the minutes.The Secretary explained his interview with the Foreman.


Bro. G. Bollen spoke in the question of grouping the spare Firemen and said he was not satified with the way it was working. The Secretary stated he could not understand the working after a long discussion it was moved by Bro. G. Bollen & seconded by Bro. J. Hillman. That it be left in the hands of the Secretary. Carried.


Correspondence read from Head Office re Conditions of Service which was discussed at some length moved by Bro. W. Goldsmith & seconded by Bro. D. Boyle. That this Branch express their confidence in our E.C. In any action that might might take. Carried.


The matter of Cleaners getting in firebox came up for discussion moved by Bro. W. Brown & seconded by Bro. B. Piddlesden. That Secretary take the matter up with the Foreman. Carried.


Meeting closed about 8.45 a good muster present

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Nov. 23rd 1922

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair

 


Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, moved by Bro. L. lower and seconded by Bro. W. Goldsmith. That minutes be accepted. Carried. Questions was asked arising out of the minutes. Secretary explained his interview with the Foreman regarding spare Firemen’s turns of duty, also Cleaners doing the Boat Engine’s firebox.


Bros. W. Goldsmith and A. Rookley were elected as delegates for the Trade and Labour.


Election of Officers for 1923 took place when the following members were elected.

Chairman Bro. W. Goldsmith

Vice Chair Bro. L. Lower

Secretary Bro. D. Boyle

Asst Sec Bro. F. Wilmshurst

Committee  Bros. F. Sherwin, C. Barrow, C. Dotterill, W. Brown, W. Terrill & M. Smith 

Trustees Bros. A. Pearce & G. Bollen


Discussion took place regards to the brake power on the 5.52.p.m. goods, moved by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden. The Secretary take the matter up. Carried


The sum of 8/6 was collected for the Trades and Labour Whist Driver.


Meeting closed about 8.45.p.m. and nice muster present.

 

 

Ron Terrill Collection 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Jan 7th 1923

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. L. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried


Correspondence read and noted, Branch endorsing action taken by our E.C.


Annual report of Newhaven and District Trades and Labour Council, read.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Jan 28th 1923

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried.


Proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst and seconded by Bro. W. Niner. That Branch heartily agree with the endeavours of E.C. 


Proposed By Bro. F. Wilmshurst & Seconded by Bro. W. Niner. That Bro R. Niner approach the Foreman in connection in his position at this depots failing satisfaction, to place in hands of Secretary


Proprosed By Bro. F. Wilmshurst & Seconded by R. Turner. That foreman be approached in connection with passes for spare Firemen


Proposed By Bro. H.G. Bowden & seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That Brighton be approached for more turns to be worked from here seeing the displacement of men, owing to the withdrawal of two turns.


Proposed By Bro. F. Wilmshurst & seconded by L. Lower. Secretary write Head Office for a fuller understanding of working of Seniority.

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Feb 25th 1923

Bro. L. Lower in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting and discussed, proposed by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That they be accepted. Carried. Matters arising out of the minutes were, letter to Brighton requesting more turns read Jan 29th no rely being received it was Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow & Seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That we await developments. Carried


Letters read from Head Office with the application of the Seniority clause at this depot, Feb 19th 1923, which gave use to much dissatisfied comment, and marked no further progress.


Executive Committee report and minutes for period December 4th 1922 - January 26th 1923 presented, also agenda of suggestions submitted by Branches for the Annual Assembly of Delegates, which is to be held at General Office, 9 Arkwright Road, Hampstead, NW3, on May 28th at 2.30.p.m. presented. 

Correspondence from Head office, re election of E.C. Representatives, 8th Jan. 1923, moved by Bro. F. Wilmshurst and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That Bro. J. Cordrey be nominated as candidate for South London District. Carried.

Circular 2nd Feb 1923, calling for organised propaganda to stimulate interest in the activity of our Society, also a warming as to the activity of the N.U.R. in connection with the Underground Electric Railways of London, and that duties in connection with the early days of the electrification of the London District of the L.B. & S.C.

Circular Feb. 15th, 1923, concerning with the Financial difficulties of various Trades Unions as compared with our fortunate position, also Daily Herald circular read, also members joining for full benefits over 30 or between 35 - 40 must pay in accordance with schedule, page 84 of Rule Book.

Letter read from Newhaven and District Trades and Labour Council, asking if any of our members wished to be nominated for the Local Elections. 

Report by Bro. D. Boyle, that Bro. W. Goldsmith was elected by the Newhaven and District Trades and Labour Council, to serve on a sub committee to work in 

 


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1923

Chairman Bro. W. Goldsmith

Vice Chair Bro. L. Lower 

Secretary D. Boyle

Ass Sec Bro. F. Wilmshurst


 

conjunction with Church of England Men’s Society with a view to organising a Church parade on March 25th to raise funds for local distress.

Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That we hold our annual dinner on Good Friday, March 30th at 6p.m. Carried

Proposed By Bro. C. Dotteral and seconded that Bro. C. Barrow. That Bro. D. Boyle be Secretary and that Bros. W. Goldsmith, F. Wilmshurst, L. Lower, C. Dotteral & C. Barrow, constitute a committee, the secretary to post a notice announcing same and that it be a cold spread.

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 25th 1923

Bro. L. Lower in the Chair


Minutes read of last meeting and briefly discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That they be accepted. Carried.


Circular 15th March, 1923 read re front end electric train read.


Meeting closed about 8.0 p.m. about 6 members present

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday May 6th 1923

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


Minutes of last meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst and seconded Bro. P. Reed. That they be accepted. Carried.


Circular letters 23rd April re link to link seniority and general conditions of service read discussed.


Proposed by F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. M. Smith. 


That meetings be held at noon during summer months.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday June 24th 1923

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair


Minutes of last meeting read and discussed which were accepted as a true record on the proposition of  - Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. M. Smith and carried.


Letter of invitations to meetings read from Tunbridge Wells & Brighton.


Secretary instructed to write Brighton requesting extra duties, which was proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. P. Reed and carried unanimously.


Also to write Barton Wilde re passes for passed Cleaners, on the proposition of W. Brown & seconded by B. Piddlesden. Carried Unan.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Aug 26th 1923

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair

 

Minutes of the last meeting read and discussed and were accepted as a true record on the propostition of F. Sherwin & Seconded by Bro. H .Bowden and Carried. 


The Vice Chairman at this point in the proceedings (who with a few others has come late) on looking through the minutes alleged that they were not a true record because his name had been erroneously recorded as the prospect of that the Secretary should request the management for more turns of duty at this depot and to prevent a future recurrence.


Bro. L. Lower proposed & seconded by Bro. M. Smith. That a member take his seat by the Secretary as check against such absorb inaccuracies to be dealt with more fully at the next meeting.


Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin & seconded by C. Dotterill. 

That a special meeting be called on the 2nd September to deal with Secretary resignation and to clear the matter up.


Correspondence read and fully discussed, no further response to Daily Hearld appeal.

 

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Special Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Sept 2nd 1923

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair

 

Bro. Barton Wild in attendance.

 

Minutes of June 24th & Aug. 26th read and discussed especially the minute arising out of 24th June minutes re Secretary approaching the Management for more turns of duty at this depot. When it was Pro. C. Barrow & Sec. A. Pearce. That the such minutes be deleted as this proposition was not discussed at this meeting. Carried Unam. Pro by F. Sherwin & sec A. Pearce. That the Secretary carrys on.


The Chairman then calling on Barton Wild as further enlighten us in the purpose of the Political Fund and in its far reaching effects aspect he did explaining that too much politics in the Branch room did not generally meet with the whole hearted approval of various Branches at the same time. 

The Political Fund of the Society should be receiving about £2 instead of barely 9/- per an from this Branch, which resulted in four more Political Fund recruits

 Bros. W. Brown, L. Lower, H. Christmas & F. Harris.

He then proceeded to give us a short address on the railway position, which all present fully appreciated.

The meeting closing with a hearty vote of thanks Pro. By Bro. H. Christmas & seconded by Bro. A. Pearce for his most able and interesting address. To which Bro. Barton wild suitably replied adding that he would be most willing to attend again at any future date.

 

   Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Quarterly Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Sept 30th 1923

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair


Minutes of last meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. A. Pearce. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried.


Correspondence re Political Fund read again. Chairman appealed to all members to support it, which resulted in a few more recruits.


Circular letters  re Central Wages Board, and Head Office staff wages read and discussed, moved by Bro. W. Smith and seconded by Bro. C. Smith. That matters arising at Central Wages Board be left in the hands of Secretary and Assistant. Carried.

Moved by Bro. F. Wilmshurst and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That correspondence re office staff wages lie on the table. Carried.


Moved by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That two members be elected as representatives of the shed. Carried.

Proposed by Bro. W. goldsmith and seconded by Bro. W. Smith. That Bros F. Sherwin and D. Boyle be elected and to arrange an early conference with the foreman. Carried.


Moved by Bro. A. Pearce and seconded by Bro. M. Smith. that delegates approach the Foremen re Pilot Men’s duties.


Moved by Bro. P. Reed and seconded Bro. F. Wilmshurst. That Pilot Men work around with the goods and that Branch men work their Sunday off middle instead of early turn and also to remind the Foreman, that Bro. H. Hamblins uniform serge jacket and cap, last issue is considerably in arrears, he last received and in May 1922, and lockers for Drivers. Carried.


Letter read from Bro. Barton Wild for information re Trade Unions position at Newhaven.

 

   Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Oct 28th 1923

Bro. L. Lower in the Chair


Minutes of last meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. C. Dotterill and seconded by Bro. W. Smith. That they be accept as a true record. Carried.

Matters arising out of the minutes. Secretary reported interview with Foreman re Bro. P. Reed’s motion of 30th Sept in connection with which he the Foreman could take no action, other than writing Brighton in respect of lockers and Bro. H. Hamblins uniform.


Letter read from Barton Wild requesting information as to the Branch position and number of N.U.R. at this depot also date, place and time of Branch meeting, Secretary’s reply satisfactory.


Letter read asking all Branches to elect a delegate to attend an area conference to select the Society’s official candidates for Sectional Council Election.

Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. C. Dotterill. That this lay on the table. Carried.


Letter 19/10/23 re seniority promotion on new Grouped Railways read.

Bro. F. Brown asked his position in relation to Bro. C. Dotterill as he was the eldest.


Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. that time of meeting during the winter months be reverted to 7.0 p.m. Carried.

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Special Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday 18th Nov 1923

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair


Owing to the N.U.R. Propaganda among our younger members it was considered by members of the Branch committee to be desirable that the above meeting be held to review the position.


In the course of the debate Bro. Bollen informed that there must be a leakage of our Branch proceedings, for he had been told by an N.U.R. Man:- apparently with the view to elating further information:- that it was only possible for spare drivers to secure a hearing, cleaners being ignored, also that there had been an endeavour by some N.U.R. Members to create dissension among the younger members of this Branch of twisting a certain indiscretion of our late Secretary apparently, calculating, that (in addition to the alleged attitude of spare drivers) it would give some of our members:- especially the younger ones, the impression that no interest was taken in their welfare and if they would but join the N.U.R. They would be much better cared for Bro. F. Brown corroborated, being present and culminating in an attack upon the discretion of the E.C. In matters of A.S.L.E. & F & C. finance in pamphlet form. Bro. G. Bollen proposed & Bro. E. Brooker. That the Secretary endeavour to secure the pamphlet re the financial position of A.S.L.E.F. & C. known to be floating about with a view to enlightenment of members. Bro. F. Brown spoke against the distribution of pamphlets by A.S.L.E.F. & C.


The Secretary mentioned writing of the N.U.R. In connection with the recent activities of their members but Bro. C. Barrow & Bro. A. Pearce spoke against, it being considered that it would only add to the difficulties of the young Firemen when booked with the others. All agreed.


Considerable discussion took place around the question of pamphlets & Chairman requested Secretary to give our financial position and in reply read the prologue to 1922 balance sheet.


The Chairman proposed, after considerable discussion of the redistribution of night and day work for cleaners that Bros C. Wilson, W. Brown & G. Bollen form a small committee to deal with the matter and report back.

Bro. S. Lower spoke on the unequal distribution of Sunday work. 


Pro. By Bro. S. Lower & Sec. A.Charman. That Sunday duty be shared by the whole of the staff. Carried. Secretary to approach Foreman. Carried.

Pro. By F. Brown & Sec. By B. Piddlesden. That Secretary see Foreman to try to get more men passed. Carried. Also to inquire into position of cleaners doing Fireman’s work. Carried.


The Chairman rose and stated that he was overruled by the Branch after placing that position before them. Bro. L. Lower supported the Chair.

 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Annual Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday 25th Nov 1923

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair


Members present 

Bros. D. Boyle, W. Goldsmith, L. Lower, P. Reed, C. Barrow, A. Pearce, A. Charman, C. Jenner, B. Piddlesden, 

G. Bollen, C. Wilson, C. Dotterill, F. Wilmshurst, F. Sherwin & H. Bowden 


Minutes of 28th Oct meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried

Matters arising out of the minutes of Oct. 28th. Bro. P. Reed’s motion of Sept. 30th, Secretary reported that as clothing was dealt with annually now and not monthly. Bro. H. Hamblin would receive his arrears with his next issue.


Correspondence read and noted.


Minutes of special meeting 18th Nov 23, moved by Bro. A. Pearce & Sec. By Bro. W. Brown. That they accepted as a true record. Carried.


Matters arising out of above minutes, Bro F. Wilmshurst called the branch in not electing Shed Committee to interview Foreman. Bro. F. Sherwin backed Bro. F. Wilmshurst and spoke on the report floating around to the effect that it was only possible for spare drivers to obtain a hearing Bro. Bollen referred to the N.U.R. Slander of our Branch.


Bro. F. Wilmshurst asked Secretary for report of his interview with the Foreman re Bro W. Goldsmith being employed cleaning on a Sunday, as he believed there had been an interview.


The secretary stated the case as presented by the Foreman, which was to the effect, that he could not see any reason why this man should not be so employed, otherwise he had nothing to do and seeing that he received his proper rate of pay, instead of a Cleaners rare, he considered there to be no case. 

Pro Bro F. Wilmshurst & Sec. Bro. A. Pearce. That the Shed Committee take the matter up. Carried.


Bro. C. Barrow complained of propelling vehicles from Newhaven Town to Newhaven Harbour and moved that the matter be put in the hands on Shed Committee, Seconded by Bro. A. Pearce.


Bro. Bollen presents his report and schedule of proposed Cleaners duty and considers 1.0 p.m. to 10.0 p.m. Unnecessary, but agrees to withdraw for further consideration.


Election of Officers for 1924

Proposed by Bro. F. Harris and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden thatBro. F. Wilmshurst take the Chair. Carried.

Proposed by Bro. H. Bowden and seconded by Bro. A. Pearce. That Bro. W. Goldsmith take Vice Chair. Carried.

Proposed by Bro. F. Harris and seconded by Bro. A Pearce. That Bro. F. Sherwin take the Secretaryship. Carried.

Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. L. Lower. That Bro. W. Brown be Assistant Secretary, and that Bros. C. Jenner, C. Dotterill, L. Lower, C. Barrow, G. Bollen Trustee & A. Pearce Trustee Constitute Committee 


Trades & Labour Delegates be Bros W. Goldsmith & G. Bollen Carried


Good Friday Dinner held over till next meeting.

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Special Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday 2nd Dec 1923

Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair


Members present

Bros. C. Barrow, L. Lower, C. Wilson, B. Piddlesden, W. Brown, F. Sherwin, A. Pearce, M. Smith, W. Smith, 

W. Goldsmith, A. Charman, E. Hillman & D. Boyle

 

The above meeting being called in accordance with Rule 39 Clause 8.


The minutes of the annual meeting held on the Nov. 25th were not read. This special meeting being called for requested for the purpose of recinding the said minutes, because some members left the room without properly requesting the Chair to do so, before the business of the Branch was complete, and so causing confusion. 


Bro. F. Sherwin, briefly summarised the event which lead to this ultimate  confusion.


Moved Bro. A. Pearce & seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That the minutes of the annual meeting be recinded. Carried.


Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That the Branch proceed with the re election of Officers. Carried.


Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded Bro. L. Lower. That Bro. W. Goldsmith be re-elected, not carried.

Proposed by Bro. G. Bollen and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That Bro. A. Pearce take the Chair. Carried.

Proposed by Bro. W. Goldsmith and seconded by Bro. B. Piddlesden. That Bro. G. Bollen take Vice Chair.
Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. A. Pearce. That Bro. D. Boyle re-elected Secretary. Carried.
Proposed by Bro. G. Bollen and seconded by Bro. A. Charman. That Bro. W. Brown be Assistant Secretary, and the following constitute the Committee.
Bros. W. Smith, C. Wilson, L. Lower, C. Barrow & E. Hillman. Carried

Proposed by Bro. W. Goldsmith and seconded by Bro. A. Pearce. That G. Bollen be elected as one delegate to Trades and Labour Council.
Proposed by Bro. A. Charman and seconded that by Bro. A. Pearce. That Bro. W. Goldsmith be re-elected as one delegate to Trades and Labour Council.

Proposed by Bro. W. Brown and seconded by Bro. A. Charman. That Shed Committee approach Foreman with a request to consider the following turns of duty, i.e. 3 a.m. to 2 p.m, 8 a.m. to 10, 7 p.m. 6 p.m. to 3 a.m. Carried.

Proposed by Bro. A. Pearce and seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That a vote of confidence be agreed in Bro. W. Goldsmith. Carried. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday 30th Dec 1923

Bro. G. Bollen in the Chair


Members present

Bros C. Wilson, C. Barrow, E. Brooker, J. Green, P. Reed, G. Bollen A. Charman & W. Smith


Minutes of last meeting read and accepted as a true record.


Correspondence read and discussed, Executive Committee Report and minutes for period between October 1st and 27th presented.


Bro. W. Smith reported that the Chairman of the N.U.R. was awaiting an audience which was received with a rather mixed feeling and owning to a misunderstanding the meeting dispersed before it was discovered that the he had bee waiting for over an hour.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Special Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday 2nd Dec 1923


Bro. W. Goldsmith in the Chair

 

The above meeting being called in accordance with Rule 39 Clause 8.


The minutes of the annual meeting held on the Nov. 25th were not read. This special meeting being called for requested for the purpose of recinding the said minutes, because some members left the room without properly requesting the Chair to do so, before the business of the Branch was complete, and so causing confusion.


Bro. F. Sherwin, briefly summarised the event which lead to this ultimate  confusion.


Moved Bro. A. Pearce & seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That the minutes of the annual meeting be recinded. Carried.


Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That the Branch proceed with the re election of Officers. Carried.


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

192 4

Chairman Bro. A. Pearce

Vice Chair Bro. G. Bollen 

Secretary D. Boyle

Ass Secretary Bro. W. Brown



  

Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded Bro. L.  Lower. That Bro. W. Goldsmith be re-elected, not carried.

Proposed by Bro. G. Bollen and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That Bro. A. Pearce take the Chair. Carried.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting 

held at the White Hart on Sunday January 30th 1924


8 Members present

Bros. C. Wilson, C. Barrow, E. Brooker, J. Green, 

P. Reed, G. Bollen, A. Charman & W. Smith.

 

Bro. W. Smith reported that the Chairman of the N.U.R. Was awaiting an audience which was received with a rather mixed feeling and owning to a misunderstanding the meeting dispersed before it was discovered that he had been waiting for over an hour.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting for January

held at the White Hart on Sunday Feb. 3rd 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair

 

Minutes of 30 Dec 1923 read and discussed, also Special Meeting at Loden Hut on Sunday 20th at 10.30 a.m., moved by Bro. C. Collins and seconded Bro. E. Brooker. That they  be accepted as a true record. Caried

Minutes of Strike Committee meeting held at the White Hart on Sunday evening at 7.0 p.m. On the 20th Jan. 1924 read moved by W. Goldsmith & seconded by Bro. C. Collins. That they be accepted. Carried.


Arising out of Strike Committee minutes Proposed by Brother F. Sherwin & Seconded by Brother W. Smith. That the minute re Bro. Rookley being expelled be deleted. Carried Unanimously.


Correspondence read and discussed.

Arising out of minutes of Dec. 30th 1923 re Bro. W. Smith report of J. Browning the N.U.R. Chairman awaiting an audience for a discussion on Shed matter presumably Shed representation was further discussed, when he expressed opinion concerning their desire for a meeting, was very much against having anything to do with them, in the view if their actions during the strike, which attitude was considered to have altered any tendency of this Branch to have met them.


Bro. J. Denman reports discrepancies in connection with time allowance for disposal of engines, around which considerable discussion took place. 

Agreed that Shed Representative to take the matter up with the Loco Foreman.


Other Business

The following were elected as Good Friday Social Committee


Bros. A. Pearce, A. Rookley, L. Lower, F. Sherwin, F. Harris, G. Bollen, F. Wilmshurst, W. Goldsmith, C. Dotteril, W. Brown, H. Christmas, P. Reed & D. Boyle, with power to add 

Proposed by Bro. A. Pearce and seconded by Bro. F. Harris. That a meeting of the Social Committee be fixed for February 10th to make arrangements. Carried


Proposed by Bro. D. Thompsett & sec. by Bro. C. Barrow. That Mr Coker be given for of the Loder Hut during the Strike. Carried.


Proposed by Bro. L. Lower & sec. by Bro. W. Smith. That Bro. C. Dotterill be paid his wages for 29th Jan. as it was necessary that he should be in attendance when the Hut was handed over after the strike. 

 

Ron Terrill Collection

 

Bill Terrill & Alf Charman

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday February 24th 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


Minutes of Feb, 3rd read and discussed, moved by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That they will be accepted as a true record. Carried.


Correspondence read and discussed


Shed representatives requested to take up with the Foreman in connection with several matters including the following.

Passing more men, engine disposal allowance, re-arrangement of working, H. Hamblin's uniform not yet received yet 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday March 30th 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


Minutes of last meet read and discussed, accepted as a true record.


Arising out of minutes of Feb 24: Secretary reported interview of Shed Representatives with Foreman which was to the effect that, in connection with rearrangement of the duty list he was waiting to hear from the N.U.R.


He had asked for two more firemen to be passed, four more cleaners & taking on four more cleaners.


Correspondence read and discussed


Also Bro. W. Brown's request for back pay for acting as Stores man from October 7th 1919 - to March 8th 1921, which the Foreman disputed.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday April 27th 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


9 Members present

Bros. F. Brown, F. Sherwin, P. Reed, M. Smith, W. Brown, L. Lower, C. Dotterill, A. Pearce & D. Boyle.


Minutes of last meeting read and discussed, moved by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising out of minutes of march 30th questions of duty list and need for the passing of more men was further discussed at considerable length, and seeing that the Foreman would be retiring, it was agreed that these questions should be remain in abeyance. Also agreed that Bro. W. Brown's case should be proceeded with.


Correspondence read and discussed.


Any Other Business


Questions of Shed Representation was debated at some length and also the N.U.R. Loco-men should be approached with the view to calling an open meeting in connection with same which eventually led to a proposition by Bro F. Sherwin & seconded by Bro F. Brown. That a letter be sent to the N.U.R. Asking if they will be in favour of calling an open meeting for Loco-men for the purposed of considering the business of selecting Shed Representatives. Carried.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Special Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday May 18th 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


14 Members present


Bros. H. Christmas, A. Pearce, F. Wilmshurst, 

L. Lower, W. Brown, J . Green, E. Brooker, 

B. Peddlesden, C. Barrow, F. Sherwin, H. Bowden, C. Wilson, G. Bollen & C. Jenner.


The Chairman opened with a few remarks upon how this Special Meeting was arranged, and the necessity which was considered to render it desirable. 


He then read the correspondence between ourselves and the N.U.R. Whose reply was considered as hardly courteous.


Bro. F. Sherwin briefly referred to the position created here by the advice of B. Wild upon which considerable discussion ensued. Pro. Bro. F. Wilmshurst & seconded 


Bro. F. Sherwin. That the letter from the N.U.R. Be replied to, pointing out that our communication contained no reference to an open meeting and ask for the names of their nominees if they should desire to appoint any by May 31st.

Ron Terrill Collection 

Pro by L. Lower & sec by Bro. B. Peddlesden. That Bros. F. Sherwin & F. Wilmshurst be appointed. Carried.

It was the agreed that the May meeting be held upon June 1st instead of My 25th.

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch May Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday June 1st 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


12 Members present 

Bros. A. Pearce, P. Reed, E. Brooker, F. Wilmshurst, C. Barrow, C. Wilson, W. Brown, 

L. Lower, G. Bollen, H. Bowden, G. Christmas & D. Boyle


Chairman read minutes of April 27th, proposed by Bro. P. Reed that they be accepted as a true record seconded by Bro. L. Lower. carried


Proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst & Seconded by Bro. H. Christmas. That the minutes of the Special Meeting of May 18th be accepted as a true record. Carried


Proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst & Seconded by Bro. H. Christmas. That Bros. Boyle & Pearce interview the Foreman, (Brown), in connection with Shed representation, and place all correspondence concerning the same between ourselves and the N.U.R. before him.


Any Other Business 

The Secretary reprimanded for not aquaisiting the Branch with the developments in the local Labour Party in the endeavour to secure premisses for a Working Men's Club. The Secretary's reply being, that owning to the very limited interest taken in the past in affairs of Trades Council and local Labour Party by this Branch, there had hardly been sufficent support to keep in touch with such of any other developments. The Secretary apologised for such a lapse of memory, in connection with such an important item.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday June 29th 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


10 Members present

Bros. F. Wilmshurst, A. Pearce, L. lower, B. Piddlesden, W. Brown, C. Barrow, G. Bollen, A. Charman, 

P. Reed & D. Thompsett.

 

Minutes of previous meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried.


Arising out of the minutes. The minutes re shed representation discussed at some length. The Secretary reprimanded for not having made it convenient to interview the foreman on the matter, when it was further agreed that the resolution be given effect to.


Chairman leaves the Chair and voice the unfairness of the present position in relation to the of promotion at some other Depots:- supported by Bro. L. Lower.

 

Bro. F. Wilmshurst informed the Branch that the acting Foreman Brown, had written to ask to come and have a discussion upon the matter of shortage of men with a view to passing of more.


Agreed that Bro. A. Pearce & A. Charman be appointed to interview the Foreman in respect of promotion at this Depot.

 

It was also generally agreed that the situation here in connection with promotion, and shortage of men to properly caver any special working and illness was entirely due to the late Foreman reporting that he had a redundancy of men after the war.


New member proposed by Bro F. Harris & sec. by Bro. C. Wilson. That T. Potter be admitted. Carried.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday July 27th 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


10 Members present

 Bros. A. Pearce, L. Lower, B. Piddlesden, A. Charman, W. Brown, C. Wilson, C. Barrow,

 F. Sherwin, J. Giles & D. Thompsett


Minutes of previous meeting read and discussed, adopted as a true record on the motion of Bro. B. Piddlesden and seconded by Bro. A. Charman.


Arising out of previous minute re interview with Brown the then acting Foreman upon which Bro. A. Pearce gave a report, in the course of which fact that Brown rather inclined to the view that the N.U.R. should be equally represented upon the L.D.C.


The Secretary (being requested by Bro A. Charman to deputised for him) and Bro. A. Pearce then asked for his (Brown’s) interpretation re “L.D.C.'s” and after a little discussion upon the point he agreed to make further enquires.


In connection with promotion here he remarked that “we had only Holten to thank , this was followed by a very animated controversy as to how the question of setting the Shed Representation upon a constitutional basis should be proceeded with.”


With the following result that. Bro. C. Barrow proposed and Bro. F. Sherwin seconded. That Secretary be instructed to write the N.U.R. With a view to making arrangements for an open meeting for Loco-men being held. After further discussion upon the resolution;


Bro. L. Lower moved and Bro. C. Wilson seconded as an amendment. That seeing (as some of our members were well aware) according to their several conversations, that the N.U.R. Element would he satisfied with one representative, that arrangements be made accordingly instead of an open meeting.


The amendment being lost, the resolution was declared carried.


Bro. F. Sherwin withdrew from his nomination, Br. L. Lower nominated in his place.


Agreed that the recently approved Drivers be given their positions on the motors as soon as possible. 


Also agreed that Bro. Ryder of Plastow Branch be nominated for the position of additional organiser.


Bro. B. Piddlesden complained of having to clean half an engine, call 6 or 7 pair of men which often entailed walking distance such as from East side to Norman R.2 in addition to coaling. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Aug. 31st 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


Minutes read and discussed, which were accepted as a true record on the motion of Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. C. Wilson


Matters arising out of the minutes.


Re Open Meeting, over which there was considerable debate all letters in connection with same being read. Bro. C. Barrow proposed & Bro. W. Smith seconded. That Bros. A. Pearce & C. Wilson be elected as delegates to meet those of the N.U.R. with a view to the making of all necessary arrangements for the meeting as evinced in their last communication to us. 

Amendment moved by Bro. L. Lower & seconded by Bro. H. Hamblin. That Bros. A. Pearce & C. Barrow be elected as delegates. The amendments being carried, the resolution therefore lost.


Agreed that meeting be held on a Sunday morning, place & time of meeting to be respectively Loder Hut at 10.30

Pro. by Bro. Hamblin & sec. Bro. A. Charman. That Bros. W. Smith & F. Wilmshurst be nominated to stand for election at such Open Meeting. Further agreed that Bro. A. Pearce be nominated for the Chair. Secretary was instructed to reply to letter received.


Bro. A Pearce had to leave the Chair for duty at 8.15 p.m., agreed that Bro. C. Barrow take the Chair.


Correspondence read and discussed 


Other Business

Bro. C. Wilson proposed & Bro. E. Brooker. that Secretary & Bro. F. Sherwin interview the Foreman re engine disposal allowance to give effect to the letter from Sectional Council, Secretary which was read. Also to endeavour to draw Foreman attention our recently appointed Foreman confirming in the Shed.


Agreed that should the Secretary not be able to secure the assistance of Bro. F. Sherwin for the interview to get whom ever were available.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Sept. 28th 1924

Bro. L. Lower in the Chair


Bro. A. Pearce, Chairman, not being present, it was agreed that Bro. L. Lower take the Chair.


Minutes of the meeting of Aug. 31st read and discussed, and on the motion of Bro. W. Brown and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. Accepted as a true record.


Arising out of the minutes

Mins re Open Meeting 2nd paragraph of mins of Aug. 31st.

Motion by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. C. Wilson. That the above paragraph be recinded, owing to the Secretaries negligence in failing to I’ve affect of the matter contained therein. Carried, with Bro. P. Reed as the only discentient.


Agreed that Bro. C. Barrow and Bro. L. Lower be given plenary powers to meet Mr. Browning and Mr.  Wise of the N.U.R. to deal with the matter of Shed spokesmen.

Further agreed that Bro. F. Brown be appointed as representative of this Branch for the purpose of giving affect of the Railways Act 1921.


Correspondence read and noted


A letter read from Eastbourne calling our attention to the employment of the S.R. of Firemen on the stead of appointed Drivers and therefore requesting our support. agreed that Branch support Eastbourne.


The question of additional lockers deferred.

 

 

Bros C. Barrow, W. Brown, L. Lowe, C. Wilson & D. Boyle

Waited outside of White Hart until 7.20 p.m., 

where it was decided to cancel the meeting. meeting canceled 7.20. p.m., November 2nd 


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Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Nov. 30th 1924

Bro. F. Brown in the Chair


Minutes of Sunday Sept. 23rd read and discussed, proposed that they be accepted as a tee record by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. C. Wilson.

Letter read from N.U.R. re paragraph 5 of mins of Sept. 28th. Bro. C. Barrow reports that above letter was in accordance with their, (Bros. C. Barrow & L. Lower meeting with Messrs J. Browning & A. Wise)

Letter read from Bro. J.H. Potts of Brighton requesting facilities for transfer to this Branch. Bro. F. Sherwin proposed & Bro. H.G. Bowden seconded. That they he be granted. Carried.

Bro. F. Sherwin proposed & Bro. C. Wilson seconded. That the committee of the Labour Club be approached for facilities to hold the Branch meetings in the Reading & Card Room.

Agreed that a special meeting be held on Sunday December 14th, 7.0.p.m. at the White Hart Hotel for purpose of election of officers for the ensuing year, delegate to the Trades & Labour council, and Secretary to endeavour to report upon. bro. F. Sherwin proposal re Labour Club.

Bro. W. Brown again requests that his claim for arrears of pay be forwarded to the Sectional Council as from Oct. 19th 1919 to March 7th 1921.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Dec 14th 1924.


21 Members present

Bros. W. Brown, F. Wilmshurst, P. Reed, J. Potter, C. Wilson, C. Barrow, F. Sherwin, M. Smith, B. Piddlesden, F. Brown, C. Jenner, A. Norman, D. Boyle, W. Smith, A. Pearce, L. Lower, W. Terril, E. Brooker, C. Dotterill, A. Charman & H. Bowden. 

Chairman reads minutes of November 30th, covering the Special Meeting for Election of Officers.

Election of Officers for 1925

Bro. A. Pearce nominated for the Secretary, but declines. Bro. F. Sherwin nominated for Secretary, but declines. After further discussion the Chair again calls for nomination for Secretary. 

Bro. F. Wilmshust nominated, but declined because he could not conscientiously carry out the wishes of the Branch after what was said about the N.U.R. in January last and recent developments. 

Bro. C. Barrows proposed & Bro. W. Smith seconded. That Bro. W, Brown be elected. 

Chairman in a few remarks pointed out in his opinion, Bro. W. Brown was too young for the position, where upon he declined. 

Bros. C. Dotterill & F. Brown where nominated and both declined. Bro. F. Sherwin at this stage endeavoured to point out how regrettable the difficulties of electing the officers were the more especially as a number of the younger members were present.

Chairman calls for nominations for Chair. 

Bro. E. Brooker proposed & Bro. L. Lower seconded. That Bro. F. Sherwin be Chairman for the ensuing year. Carried Unam. Bro. C. Barrow Vice.

The Chair again calls for nominations for Secretaryship. 

Bro. P. Reed nominates Bro. C. Barrow, but he declines. Bro. W. Smith moves present Secretary. Chair call for a show of hands, 14 against & 5 in favour.


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1925

Chairman Bro. F. Sherwin

Vice Chair Bro. C. Barrow 

Secretary Bro. W. Brown

Ass Secretary A. Pearce

  

Bro. W. Smith moves present Secretary. Chair call for a show of hands, 14 against & 5 in favour.

Chairman appeals to Bro. F. Wilmshurst to accept the position, to which he agreed providing it was confirmed by a ballot of the whole of the members.

Chair suggests that Bro. F. Wilmshurst, Bro. W. Brown & Bro. D. Boyle be balloted where upon F. Wilmshurst declines. Chair then asks if Bros. W. Brown & D. Boyle will agree upon that course Bro. D. Boyle declines. Bro. W. Brown asked if he will now accept and he agrees, Bro. W. Brown thereby becomes elected for the ensuing year.

Proposed by Bro. W. Smith and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden. That Bro. A. Pearce be Assistant Secretary. Carried Unanimously.

It was further unanimously agreed that the following constitute the Committee.

Bros. A. Pearce, C. Jenner, L. Lower, C. Dotterill, F. Brown, W. Smith & F. Wilmshurst.

Trustees Bros. W. Smith & F. Wilmshurst (D. Boyle) January 14th, 1925, Trustees should be Branch Stewards & Collectors.

Delegates to Trades & Labour Council

Bros. F. Sherwin & W. Brown

Agreement to walking time allowance for Firemen in Loco Yards read and agreed, that Secretary should sign same and return to J.P. Maitland, agreement dated Dec. 13th 1924. 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the White Hart on Sunday Dec 28th 1924

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair


8 Members present 

Bros. A. Pearce, D. Boyle, C. Wilson, L. Lower, W. Brown, H. Christmas, W. Smith & E. Brooker.


Minutes of Annual and Special Annual meetings read and discussed,proposed by H. Christmas and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That they be accepted as a true record. Carried.


Correspondence read and discussed i.e. Passes for widows.


Secretary instructed to advise Bro. F. Brown to take the necessary steps to arrange a meeting of the L.D.C. to point out the aggravation occasioned by the irregular bookings for duty during the Christmas vacation, and to request, thqt if possible, an endeavour be made to avoid a recurrence

 

Ron Terrill Collection

Bill Terrill

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting 

held at the Labour Club on Sunday 25th January 1925

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair

 

14 members present 

Bros. W. Brown, F Sherwin, A. Pearce, W. Smith, C. Wilson, A. Norman, B. Peddleston, L. Lower, D. Boyle, 

A. Charman, H. G. Bowden, H. Christmas, F. Brown & P. Reed.


Minutes of December meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. W. Smith. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from December's minutes, re Brother Christmas complaint re 'back turn' on Boxing Day. Brother F. Brown asked to report of meeting with Mr. Maitland over this matter. He there upon explained all that took place at this meeting Mr. Maitland saying it would not occur again. Brother Christmas satisfied with report.


Correspondence re Army Reserve and Insurance Fund for Signalman, read and discussed. 


Correspondence re Bro. Goldsmith Assurance money, read and discussed.


Bro. A. Pearce, nominated as delegate for Assurance Fund for this Branch.


Bro. F. Brown mentioned that Mr. Maitland wished that all Drivers when making overtime to ask for relief as he was afraid that if they did not, we should lose some of our work.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Labour Club on Sunday 22nd Feb 1925

 

12 members present 

Bros. W. Brown, F. Sherwin, A. Pearce, P. Reed, C. Dotterill, L. Lower, W. Smith, F. Brown, H. Bowden, 

D. Boyle, C. Wilson & A. Charman.


Minutes of January meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. P. reed nd seconded by Bro. D. Boyle. that they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence re coupling of engines by Firemen at station and re Bro. C. Wilson’s case of higher duty pay, re nominee for Trades Union Congress read and discussed.


Much discussion arose from Bro. C. Wilson's case, he was willing to accept amount £35, but after much talk of money he has lost, he was advised not to accept it. Secretary was to write to Bro. J.T. Long and give him full particulars.


A new member was enrolled in the person of F.E. Wilde, proposed by Bro. C. Wilson & seconded by Bro. A. Pearce.


Bro. F. Brown was called upon to report of the meeting with Mr. Maitland with his fellow two delegates from N.U.R. The question of trying to obtain men's pay from under a better routine was brought up. Mr. Maitland said he has seen Mr. Dewaney about it and he suggested, a man be at Loco-Shed from 1.0 p.m. To 7.0 p.m. Thursday & from 10 a.m. till 5.0 p.m. Friday but after more suggestion nothing was definitely arranged, Mr. Maitland saying he would let delegates know anything that transpires over this question.


Question óf more lockers for drivers, Mr. Maitland said he was trying to get 23 lockers for 'Regular Drivers', but could not promise any for 'Spare Drivers'. He had taken measurements of lobby space and was arranging for lockers to be placed all round the walls. 


Much discussion over Firemen being rated and no driving. Mr. Maitland looking into matter.

More discussion over Walking Times, but no further developments 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Labour Club on Sunday March 29th 1925

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair

 

11 members present 

Bros. F. Sherwin, W. Brown, A. Pearce, F. Brown, L. Lower, H. Bowden, P. Reed, G. Barrow, D. Barrow, 

E. Brooker & C. Wilson 



Minutes of February meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. H. Bowden and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from the minutes of the previous meeting re Bro. C. Wilson's case, all letters to and from Head Office were read and this showed to all present that something was being done in this man's case at last.


Correspondence, re. N.U.R. Programme and Company's proposed reduction read and discussed also correspondence re vaccination of members passing for driving. Members advised by Head Office to refused to be vaccinated if even they were asked to prior to being passed to higher-grade.


Bro. F. Brown asked Secretary if he had written to Bro. J.T. Long to see if we could have Sectional Council report sent to this Branch earlier. Secretary had not written, so was instructed to do so.


Bro. F. Brown reported meetings with Mr. Maitland on following subjects.


Payment of men, matter was taken entirely of Mr. Maitlland hands. Mr. Walker, manager now had charge of this case. One suggestion had been forwarded re payment at Harbour Booking Office, from 2.0 p.m. to 8.30 p.m. Thursday and 9.0 a.m. To 8.0 p.m. Friday.


Lockers for Drivers, this matter in hand, a man has been down and taken all particulars, but the lockers cannot be placed around the wall, owing to bad state of walls, to be placed between window and door upright one above the other, 24 in all.


Three Drivers rates, paper had been sent down requiring turns of firing done by these men this last year no firing done by either. These men expected to be rated shortly.


Much discussion of seniority of Drivers H. Christmas & Browning. Mr. Maitland being under impression that Browning was senior to Christmas. The matter was bought owning to Browning being given Motorman’s job instead of Christmas. Everyting squared up now and Christmas has since worked Motorman, vice F. Masley.


Bro. F. Brown reported that in future all cases by L.D.C. to be sent by letter to Mr. Maitland. He will forward same to Mr. A.D. Jones for his sanction for these case to brought up with Mr. Maitland.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Labour Club on Sunday 26th April 1925

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


12 members present 

Bros. W. Brown, F. Sherwin, A. Pearce, M. Smith, W. Smith, L. Lower, C. Barrow, H.G. Bowden, D. Boyle, 

J. Denman, C. Wilson & P. Reed

 

Minutes read and discussed and proposed by Bro.C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. L. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record.

 

Bro. F. Brown called upon to report of meeting with Mr. Maitland & Mr. Fuller: Owing to more work being expected and to save any inconvenience to men, it was suggested by Mr. Maitland that he should have an alteration in the 'Links'. He suggested the 'Pilot Link' be a link of its own, three rated Drivers re H. G. Bowden, D. Boyle & G. Woolgar to have three approved Drivers re G. Collins, L. Lower & J. Denham, booked with them as mates. For this way at would save considerable changing about in the turns all round. There was much discussion over this and it was sometime before anything was settled. In the end however Bro. D. Boyle proposed and seconded by Bro. F. Brown that Mr. Maitland's suggestion be accepted. This was carried unanimously.


Next came the question: who should work the 'Specials'. Pro. By Bro. H. Bowden & sec. by Bro. P. Reed. That senior man work the 'Specials'. Carried.


Pro. F. Brown & sec by L. Lower. That the 8.10 p.m. Pilot turn of a Sunday by worked by Approved Drivers and app. Fireman in turn. Carried.


Proposed by D. Boyle & sec by L. Lower. That F. Brown be congratulated on his report.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Labour Club on Sunday 31st May 1925

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


6 Members present Bros. F. Sherwin, W. Brown, A. Pearce, D. Boyle, F. Brown & H. Bowden


Owing to small attendance, minutes of April meeting were not read.


Correspondence read and discussed.


Meeting closed at 8.0 p.m.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Labour Club on Sunday 28th June 1925

 

Bros. W. Brown, A. Pearce, F. Sherwin, L. Lower, P. Reed, W. Smith, G. Barrow, D. Thompsett & A Charman 


Minuts of April and May read and discussed and proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That they be accept as a true record. Carried.


Arising from the minutes of April meeting, re working of 8.10 p.m. Pilot Turn Sundays, Bro. W. Brown did not think Mr. Maitland was working as per arrangements, that the six youngest Firemen should have a turn firing. Bro. W. Brown advised to see Mr. Maitland.


Correspondence re “Defaulting Secretaries” read.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Labour Club on Sunday 26th July 1925

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


12 members present

Bros. W. Brown, P. Reed, E. Brooker, A. Norman, F. Sherwin, W. Smith, A. Charman, H. Bowden,

 A. Pearce, C. Wilson, F. Brown & G. Dortrill


Minutes of June meeting read and discussed and passed as a true record, Proposed by Bro. H. Bowden and seconded by Bro. W. Smith.


Arising from these minutes re Bro. W. Brown's compliant re 8.10 p.m. Turn Sunday, he explained meeting with Mr. Maitland and this turn is now being worked as per arrangement.


Correspondence re 5% of mens wages, deduction from holidays through illness & Chinese Workers Union plea for help read and discussed.


Pro. By Bro. E. Dotterill & sec by Bro. A. Pearce. 

That Mr. Maitland be asked if more cleaners could be passed firing and firemen passed drivers, so as to alleviate the excessive Lewes worked at present. Also that a gas ring could be installed in lobby for heating tea & food of the staff. Also that a light be fitted in sand-hole. The case of more lockers for drivers was also brought up and the L..D.C delegate was instructed to mentioned this to Mr. Maitland.


 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Labour Club on Sunday 30th August 1925

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair in the absence of Bro. F. Sherwin


6 members present 

Bros. W. Brown, F. Brown, H. Bowden, A. Pearce, A. Norman & P. Reed


Minutes of July meeting read and discussed and passed as a true record, proposed by A. Norman and seconded by Bro. F. Brown.


Arising from the minutes, re passing of more men. Bro. F. Brown said that when he approached the N.U.R. Delegate to make arrangements for meeting Mr. Maitland on the above subject he was ignored and in consiquence nothing was done in the matter, but the N.U.R. were holding a meeting on this Sunday. It was proposed that Bro. F. Brown find out what their decision was regarding passing of more men, and if of same opinion as us to carry on with the proposition of the July meeting.


Correspondence re – Strike Committee, Transfer of Staff and L.D.C. Conference read and discussion.


Bro. G. Bollen, sent a letter regarding his arrears and asked if he could have time to pay up. There was some discussion over this man's case, and it was decided to give him time, but Secretary instructed not to less than one quarter's subscription as first payment.

                                 

                   Newhaven Loco Department in July 1925 


 Andre Duchossoy Collection

 

Loco-men known in this photo are

Back Row L~R Unknown (1),  William Terrill, Maurice Smith, Jack Hillman, Unknown (2), Unknown (3), Unknown (4) Unknown (5), Unknown (6) &  Walter Ware,

Third Row 3rd from the right James Browning

Second Row first Alf Charman

Front Row 2nd from the left Jack Simmons, Arthur Rookley third from the right.

Info from Our Newhaven website


John Pelham Maitland  was the Running Foreman (Shed Master) in charge at Newhaven Shed between 1924-1929 and is  thought to be featured in this photo.

After John Pelham Maitland left Newhaven, he went to become the Running Foreman at Littlehampton & Bognor Sheds (1929-1935), and with the opening of new Loco shed at Norwood in 1935, he become the first Running Foreman where remained until 1939. In 1939 he was transferred to Nine Elms Loco Shed where remained until his retirement in 1950.

 

At this time, Newhaven had about 17 engines based at the shed of various classes, and therefore this photo may only feature Newhaven Managers/Foremen, Drivers and Firemen. Only two loco-men are seen to be dressed in their uniform whilst the others are in their 'Sunday's Best'.

You will also notice the letters of the L.B.S.C.R in the background and no there is no mentioned of the Southern Railway

Other Newhaven Loco men at the shed around this date are:-

Ernie King, A.H. Pearce, D.Boyle, L. Lower, Sam Lower, Ernie Collington, Earn Eacott, W. Brown, A. Leonard, C. Barrow, F. Sherwin, Fred Wilmshurst, E.P. Ettridge, H.G. Bowden, F. Smith, A.G. Wise, Ben Piddlesden

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Labour Club on Sunday 30th August 1925

Bro. A. Pearce in the Chair in the absence of Bro. F. Sherwin


6 members present 

Bros. W. Brown, F. Brown, H. Bowden, A. Pearce, A. Norman & P. Reed


Minutes of July meeting read and discussed and passed as a true record, proposed by A. Norman and seconded by Bro. F. Brown.


Arising from the minutes, re passing of more men. Bro. F. Brown said that when he approached the N.U.R. Delegate to make arrangements for meeting Mr. Maitland on the above subject he was ignored and in consiquence nothing was done in the matter, but the N.U.R. were holding a meeting on this Sunday. It was proposed that Bro. F. Brown find out what their decision was regarding passing of more men, and if of same opinion as us to carry on with the proposition of the July meeting.


Correspondence re – Strike Committee, Transfer of Staff and L.D.C. Conference read and discussion.


Bro. G. Bollen, sent a letter regarding his arrears and asked if he could have time to pay up. There was some discussion over this man's case, and it was decided to give him time, but Secretary instructed not to less than one quarter's subscription as first payment.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting for January

held at the Labour Club on Sunday Oct 4th 1925 

(deferred from Sept 27th)

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair.



16 members present 

Bros. F. Sherwin, W, Smith, P. Reed, E. Brooker, J. Potter, A. Pearce, H. Bowden, D. Boyle, C. Lower, 

F. Brown, W. Brown, J. Green, C. Jenner, W. Terrill, H. Christmas, A. Norman & A. Rookley.


Minutes of August meeting read and discusses and passed as a true record, Proposed by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden.


Correspondence re L.D.C. Conference read and discussed and arising from this, Secretary was instructed to write Head Office concerning the pamphlets recently received, but having no signature on same.


Arising from August minutes, Bro F. Brown was called upon to report meeting with Mr. Fuller of Brighton four subjects. Three of the subjects re gas-ring in lobby, light in sand hole and light over lower notice case would be taken to Waterloo by Mr. Fuller. The 4th subject re passing of more men, etc. was next dealt with. With regard to seniority with Brighton, Newhaven stands on its own and has nothing to do with Brighton. Work can only be sent from Brighton. Mr. Fuller said he could not make another motor train at Newhaven. Hard job to keep present one. If Newhaven could work Boat Train more economically than Brighton, they would have to work it. By having fireman with a shed man, a driver would be done out of a job. Mr. Fuller said as a first word, that if the men could make any suggestions which would make more work, he would only be too pleased to meet the L.D.C. Delegate and discuss same.


Pro by Bro. A. Rookley that specified time should be made for walking from Lewes station to Shunter's lobby at Lewes Gas yard. It was decided that men could arrange that between themselves.


Pro. By Bro. F. Brown & Sec by Bro. A. Rookley. That Secretary write Mr. Bromley, with regards to promotion for Cleaners and rated Firemen.


Pro by A. Pearce & sec by W. Smith. That Mr. Love be approach and asked of new lockers could be distributed to men entitled to them.


Pro. By W. Smith & sec by A. Rookley that the 'Pilot Link' be put into ordinary link as before. Amendment to this by Bro. F. Brown. That Pilot Link stop as it is. On the vote the amendment was carried.


Pro by A. Pearce & sec by W. Smith. That Sunday night pilot working be restored: an app. Firemen working with a Driver every six weeks. Bro. F. Brown was asked to mentioned this to Foreman also.


Bro. W. Smith brought up another case, this being the working of Drivers in shed on Sunday afternoons. This caused much discussion and it was agreed to defer it to next meeting.  

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Labour Club on Sunday 25h Oct. 1925


11 members present

Bros. W. Brown, F. Sherwin, A. Pearce, N. Bowden, W. Smith, C. Collins, F. Brown, P. Reed, A. Norman,      W. Ellis & C. Dotterill


Minutes of September meeting read and discussed and passed to be a true record, proposed by Bro. F. Brown and seconded by Bro. A. Norman.


Arising from the minutes, Bro F. Brown asked what replies he had to his letters concerning the transfer of rated men and cleaners and the subject of 'cleaning engines after 8 hrs'. These letters were read. Several members was dissatisfied with reply from Bro. J.T. Long, with regard to transfer of men. Pro. by Bro. F. Brown & sec by C. Dotterill. That Secretary write, long and see if cleaners can transfer to other Depots as Cleaners.


Bro. F. Brown reported meeting with Mr. Love regarding different subjects, two of these having been settled since last meeting re 8.10 pilot on Sunday and men lockers.


Correspondence re 'Retiring Age' & Pension Scheme, read and discussed and Secretary told to send in Branch resolution concerning Retiring Age and adoption of A.S.L.E. & F. Superannuation Scheme.


Secretary instructed to write Long with reference to W. Ellis transfer to Fratton in August 1923, also to enquire if Newhaven come under Brighton in seniority.


Bro. W. Smith proposed that L.D.C. Delegate go to Foreman regarding Sunday Working if Shed Man and Branch Turn.

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sunday 29h Nov. 1925

13 members present

Bros. F. Sherwin, W. Brown, A. Pearce, P. Reed, W. Smith, D. Boyle, J. Denman, C. Barrow, H. Bowden, 

A. Rookley, F. Brown & W. Ellis.


Minutes of October meeting read and discussed and passed as a true, proposed by Bro. H. Bowden and seconded by Bro. F. Brown.

Arising from minutes, Secretary was asked what replies he had from Long. These letters were read and seemed satisfactory to those concerned.

Correspondence re L.D.C. Conference read.

Letter from Bro. T. Goodyear, Eastbourne read, asking to support his nomination for 1926 A.A.D.

Bro. F. Brown reported meeting with Mr. Maitland with regard to gas rig in lobby, this cannot be installed. Lowering of light over lower notice case, several members mentioned that they though this had been done. Light in sand-hole, this is being complied with.

Mr. Maitland suggestion on the Sunday working seemed to meet with the approval of all concerned barring W. Smith. He stat that he would see Mr. Maitland on the Sunday Shed turn himself.

The next item on the list for the members to fight out was - suitable room for next year's meetings. Pro. by Bro. F. Brown and sec. by Bro. W. Smith. That the Railway Hotel be accepted on the terms stated by the proprieter - 1/9 per meeting. Carried.

Nominations for Branch Secretary

Bros. W. Brown, C. Dotteril & A. Pearce were nominated in turn, the two first named refused to accept the post, therefore Bro. A. Pearce was proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. L. Lower, and this was carried. Thus Bro. A. Pearce will be Secretary from 1926.

Nominations for Ass. Secretary

Bro.W. Brown was proposed by Bro. A. Pearce and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden and he accepted.

Nominations for Chairman

Bros. C. Dotterill, P. Reed, L. Lower, H. Bowden & F. Sherwin were all proposed and seconded for the post, but after much discussion and rumpus Bro. F. Sherwin was urged to take on the office again. Proposed by Bro. A. Pearce and seconded by Bro. P. Reed, he accepted.

Vice Chairman, C. Dotteril was proposed and he accepted.

The following will constitute the Committee

Bros. A. Pearce, L. Lower, W. Smith, C. Dotteril, H. Bowden, C. Barrow & W. Ellis.

The Delegates for Trades & Labour Council were omitted also were the Trustees for 1926. This will probably be executed at next meeting.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting
held at the Railway Hotel 

on Sunday 27h Dec. 1925


7 members present

Bros. W. Brown, P. Reed, L. Lower, A. Pearce, 

C. Barrow, F. Sherwin & D. Boyle.

 

Minutes of November meeting was read and discussed and passed as a true record, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow.


Correspondence re ‘Wages Board’ and L.D.C. 


Conferences at Head Office read and discussed.


Two items that were omitted from November meeting were duly executed these being two Trustees for 1926 and two delegates for Trade and Labour Council.

 

Bros. C. Barrow and L. Lower were elected as the Trustees.


Bros. A. Pearce and F. Sherwin to be Trades and Labour Council delegates for 1926


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1926

Chairman Bro. F. Sherwin

Vice Chair Bro. C. Dotterill

Secretary A. Pearce

Ass. Secretary Bro. H. Bowden



  

Bro. C. Barrow as the L.D.C. Spokesman reported of meeting with Mr. Maitland regarding Rule Books for spare firemen. Mr. Maitland informed him, that the steps required in the Rule Books were out of print and that was the reason why he hadn't given them to the men entitled to them. New Rule Books were in print and would undoubtedly soon be issues.

Bro. C. Barrow bought a complaint regarding to points at Seaford no dummy is being fixed, Drivers only knowing that point are alright by a ring of a bell and Shunter's tip. The Secretary unfortunately had to leave for work at this point. This case would be seen into undoubtedly. 

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sunday 31st Jan. 1926


14 members present

A. Pearce, H. Bowden, W. Eelis, A. Charman, W. Brown, P. Reed, W. Goldson, B. Peddlesden, F. Sherwin,

C. Barrow, S. Lower, C. Wilson, F. Brown & L. Lower.


Minutes of December read and discussed and proposed by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. L. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from the minutes re “the dummy attached to Seaford points”, Bro. C. Barrow gave his report of his meeting with Mr. Maitland. It was mentioned that Shunters would take the responsibility of the points being on proper position , but it was mentioned that eventually this matter would be seen into.


Another item was bought up by the N.U.R. Delegate re sheets to be provided for Tender Engines. Mr. Fuller was also present at this meeting said that as engines come out of the shops they were being fitted with hooks, to which sheets could be adjusted.


Correspondence re Seniority’ from Ramsgate read and discussed.

Correespondence from Lewes Divisional Lbour Party read and discussed, on the question of being affiliated to his party. it was mentioned that this could not be done, as provision for only one affiliation was granted, this being with the Trades and Labour Council.

Letter from Minority Movement was read and discussed.


Bro Ellis brought up the question of Seniority with other depots where men with less service are passed and getting their rate 9/6 per day. He also mentioned transfer paper he and W. Goldson had signed and accepted but h ad heard nothing more about them, it was mentioned, the this seniority question is a very knotty problem, which men with great experience cannot solve yet. W. Goldson proposed the L.D.C. Delegate should see Mr. Maitland regarding their transfers, but both men were advised to the Foreman themselves first.


Proposed by Bro. A. Norman and seconded by Bro. W. Ellis. That the Shed Staff hold a dinner on Good Friday. Bro. A. Rookly put forward an amendment to this, saying that it should be a loco and traffic dinner. On the vote the amendment was lost, therefore it was arranged that a diner for Shed Staff only should be held on this day.


A Dinner Committee was formed and Bro. W. Brown elected as Secretary of this Committee. The Committee are

Bros. W. Brown (Sec.), F. Sherwin, H. Bowden, C. Dotteril, W. Ellis, A. Charman, A. Norman & C. Barrow.


Secretary was instructed to get names of those who intended going before Sunday Feb. 7th, 1926, when a Dinner Committee meeting would be held. 

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sunday 28th Feb. 1926

19 members present

 

Minutes of January red and discussed and proposed by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. W. Smith. That they be accepted as a true record.

 

Arising from the minutes re “no dummy on points to points at Seaford”. Bro Barrow shed spokesman did not attend but informed Secretary that final instruction from Mr. Fuller were when Shunter or porter saw points were over and gave hand signal. They accepted responsibility also in respect of sheets for Tender Engines each depot would be supplied with name of depot on them.


Correspondence from Head Office re Conference of Cleaners to be held at Head Office in May, pro. by Bro. W. Brown and sec. by Bro. P. Reed. That Bro. W. Ellis be candidate, Pro. by Bro. S. Lower and sec. by Bro. L. Lower that Bro. A. Lower be candidate, put to the vote and Bro. A. Lower was elected.


Letter from Bro. Goodyear of Eastbourne, read and discussed.


Correspondence re Salvage dispute read and discussed.


Letter from Secretary of N.U.R.,asking for co operation on respect to a show a card week, beginning on March 8th. A lively discussion arose: the Secretary stated, that he had been asked particulars and was informed that every member with a clear card would wear a flag and had informed the Secretary of N.U.R.,that all our members paid quarterly, so if our members agreed to co operate he would be given sufficient flags for each member. Pro. By Bro. F. Brown & sec. By S. Lower. That we cooperate. Pro. W. Godson & sec by P. Reed as an amendment that we ignore them, put to the vote, the proposition was carried.


Nomination for membership, 

Pro. by Bro. W. Smith & sec by Bro. A. Charman. That A.C. Dell become a member of this Society. 

Pro. by Bro. W. Brown &  sec. by Bro. C. Wilson. That G. Bullon become a member of the Society. 

Both nominations were carried.


Correspondence from Secretary of Sectional Council Circulars re medical test and turning light engines 

out station areas to count for main line turn for 15/- rate, also supervision of shed drivers read and discussed.


Bro. Lower spoke on notice in Shed for positions of permanently appointed Drivers at different depots. Pro. By Secretary. That he & Bro. Lower being the two senior spare Drivers at this Depot that they see Foreman to see if they could make application for the two positions at this depot as stated on notice.


The following was proposed to be placed on the agenda of Shed Spokesmen VIZ. 

Pro. by Bro. A. Pearce. That hose pipe be placed on coal stage.

Pro. by Bro. H. Bowden. That men working in Shed on Sunday early turn as well as middle.

Pro. by Bro. W. Ellis. That cleaners work a  turn Firing on Sundays.

Pro. by A. Charman. That of any extra work come along on Sundays, that spare men work it .

Pro. by Bro. F. Brown. That spray caps be placed on injectors for the operation of sprays & spray cocks be made workable.

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sunday 28th March 1926

Bro. C. Dotteril in the Chair

 

12 members present

 

minutes of February read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That they be accepted s a true record.


Arising from minutes re notice in shed for two permanently appointed drivers, Secretary explained that he and Bro. Lower saw Foreman and he advised them to make application for same and he would give them his fullest backing.


Correspondence from Head Office re circular from General Secretary asking for particulars of long hours worked by enginemen, so as he could forward same on to Ministry of Transport.


Circular re suspension of Shed enginemen read and discussed.


Letter from Ashford Branch asking for support of Bro. Bumstead in forthcoming election for vacancy of Bro. Cordrey on the Executive Committee


Ballot papers for Conference of Cleaners at Head Office issued and signed.


Bros. Ellis & Lower discussed their position with other depots as they said that at other depots junior men than them were firing and they were still cleaning and they would like a transfer to another depot. Secretary advice both to see Foreman before summer serviced started.


Bro. Clarke, asked if it was not the practice to take an hour on last engine. Secretary looked up conditions of Service, but it did not state if such was case in the disposal of engines.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sunday 25th April 1926

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


14 members present

 

Minutes of March read and discussed, proposed by Bro. D. Boyle and seconded by Bro. E. Brooker. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from the minutes re Secretary advising Bros. Lower & Ellis to see Foreman regarding transferring to another depot, Bro. Lower reported seeing the Foreman and he advised them to make an application and he would send them on.

Correspondence re Cleaners rate of pay from Head Office was read and discussed.

Minutes of No.5 District Council read and discussed.

Letter from Barrow Labour Party asking for funds to provide uniforms for Barrow Labour Band. Bro. D. Boyle  advised Secretary to go to members and asked them to contribute to same.


Pro. By F. Brown & sec by D. Boyle. That Secretary write to Organizating Secretary Bro. Barton Wild asking him to pay us a visit with an idea of holding a meeting. 


Bro. C. Barrow Shed spokesman gave his report of meeting with Mr. Fuller on agenda of Feb. meeting re

water spike on coal stage, spray in injectors, early turn for Drivers working on Shed on Sundays & Sunday duty all worked.


Proposed. That spare Drivers work on Shed on Sundays and Motor spare Drivers work on motors and spare work to distributed between both links. Proposed by D. Boyle & seconded By L. Lower. That Sunday work be accepted.


Considerable discussion arose owing to the action of N.U.R. Representative, out delegate said it did not think that the delegate of the N.U.R. Had acted in a straight forward manner and hoped that out members would make as little possible for him to deal with until October when we hoped to elect two of our members to stand for the she representation, all member present expressed their disgust at N.U.R. Representative manner and gave full support of our representatives action.


Pro. By F. Harris sec by F. Brown. That shed representative approach Foreman with an idea of having, discussions arrived it being parted in shed for all concerned to see. 

 




Minutes of the Newhaven Special Branch Meeting

held at the Loder Hut on Monday 3rd May 1926

Bro. C. Barrow was voted in the Chair


Correspondence from Head office i.e. Strike in support of the Miners read and discussed.


Election of two representatives for local joint strike committee.


Proposed By F. Harris & seconded by A. Norman. 


That secretary & Chairman Bros. A. Pearce & F. Sherwin elected on same. Carried.


Accommodation during strike.


Pro. By D. Boyle. That we have Loder Hut* during period of strike. Carried.


The Secretary spoke on Bro. Boyle's proposition as a very good one and said our members could co-operate with members of other unions in sports and games. 


The Secretary then gave a speech in which he urged member to stand by their Executive in the fight for the miners because if the miners went down in wages and conditions it was the railwaymens turn next. 


The Secretary, then gave a speech in which he urged members to stand by their Executive Committee in the fight for the miners, because if the miners went down in wages and conditions it was the railwaymen’s turn next.


Secretary then gave notice of roll call for 9.30. a.m.


*The Loder hut was situated between the Loco & Denton Terrace

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on the 30th May 1926


15 members present


Minutes of April meeting read and discussed and were proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. J. Green. That they be accepted as a true record.


Minutes of Special Strike meeting held on May 3rd, 1926, were read and accepted as a true record, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. by J. Green.


Correspondence re turns of settlement of strike read and discussed.


Letter re Unions officials meeting with Companies regarding reinstatements and working of minimum of 3 days work at ordinary rate of pay read and discussed.


Letter from Ashford re Bro. Bumstead’s nomination for E. C. read, asking this branch to support him.


Circular read from Head Office re financial position of union read and stead that the greater economy that exist in future with regards to Staff salaries and “Fancy Prices”, etc, and the Branch was asked to forward a resolution to the A.A.D., through its delegate agreeing with this move.


Much discussion took place over this matter and Bro. Wilmshurst pointed out that he would not move a resolution to the effect that it would lower any salaries of the staff if they were being paid at Trade Union rate. More discussion followed and at last it was moved 


'That this Branch is agreeable to strictest economy in future in every thing possible, so long as it does not effect staff salaries.' seconded by F. Wilmshurst.


Bro. A. Pearce reported of meeting with Mr. E. J. Coxes on the matter of charges for loan of the Loder Hut during the recent strike. Mr. Coxes said he would leave matter in Secretary's hands and whatever charge members thought should be be made, should be sent to the Miner's Distress Fund, or to the Local Distress Fund. Pro. By C. Barrow& sec by P. Reed. That £2 would be reasonable.


An amendment was moved by Bro. F. Wilmshurst 


That £3 should be charged providing the Dockers Union paid half and if any difficultly in obtaining their share, the charge should stand at £2. 

The members voted and the amendments was carried.


Bro. A. Charman brought up about the working of special traffic the following week with spare firemen and only one spare Driver and it was state that very likely Brighton men worked them owing to Brighton being on short time and Newhaven all in. Bro. Charman said he would let the matter drop as he said those men who tell, most never came to the meeting room. When the miner's crisis was over, to do his best for the younger men.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on the 20th June 1926

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


 

Minutes of last meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. f. Wilmshurst and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That they accepted as a true record.


Arising from minutes, Bro. Wilmshurst asked what had been done regarding the rent for Loder Hut during the strike. Secretary explained that he had paid 30/- to Mr Coxes and he sent it on to Lady Slesser for the fund for feeding Miners children.


Pro. By F. Sherwin. That Secretary write to Head Office and find out which promotion was in force service or area as there seemed to be a misunderstanding.


Correspondence read and discussed.


Bro. W. Brown asked Secretary to write to Head Office re sliding scale rate and see if cleaners were entitled to any rate retrospective.


Bro. W. Brown asked if shed spokesman could see Foreman re coaling rate of man when performing coaling work 52/-.


Bro. Peddlesden asked what calling up job was and he was advised to see Foreman failing satisfaction to place it in the hands of shed spokesman.


Bro. Peddlesden also remarked that Bro. Wilde was performing work that senior men should be doing.


Bro. Wilmshurst suggested that a spare Fireman should be appointed on the shed with shed Drivers.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on the 25th July 1926

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


15 members present 


Minutes of June meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence re Cleaners rate read also of Promotion of Footplatemen.


Proposed by W. Ellis. 


That she spokesman approach Foreman on the subject of spare Fireman acting on the Shed with each shed Driver, seconded by Bro. A. Lower.


Amendment by C. Wood. 


That this lay on the table until after the coal strike and times were normal.

 seconded by Bro. L. Lower. 

Amendment was carried.


Letter from Bro. Goodyear of Eastbourne, concerning his visit to give report on this years A.A.D. and asking Secretary to state a date when he would be pleased to come.

Proposed by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That he should come on Sunday August 8th.

Proposed. That the Loder Hut be acquired for this Special Meeting. Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. W. Smith. That the meeting start at 6 p.m.


Correspondence from Head Office re L.D.C. agreed to leave this over until Bro. Goodyear had attended, when some information on the subject might be given.


Letter from Secretary of Woman's Branch at Brighton asking for members wives of this join their Branch.


Later in the evening Bro. Harris attended and some advice was given re spare Fireman with shed Drivers, another vote was taken on the subject and the votes for proposition and amendment were equal. Chairman gave the casting vote in favour of proposition.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on the 25th Aug 1926

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


15 members present 


Minutes of July meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. P. Reed and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That they be accepted as a true record.


Proposed by Bro. W. Smith and seconded by Bro. P. Reed. That the minutes re Spare Firemen working with Shedmen and shed, lay on table until future date


Correspondence read re Wages Board, discussion and A.A.D. Conference and letter of appeal from General Secretary re Financial Position of Society.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on the 1st Oct. 1926

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


11 members present

 

Minutes of August meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. C. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from minutes re spare Fireman working with Shed Drivers, much discussion arose and in the end Bro Shedman proposed & sec. By S. Lower. That it lay on table until an opportune time.


Correspondence re sliding scale for Cleaners read, also letter from Head Office announcing nominations for next year’s A.A.D., proposed by Bro. H. Stedman and seconded by Bro, S. Lower. That Bro. Wilmshurst be nominated, Bro. Wilmshurst said he could rather some one else be nominated.

Proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst nd seconded by Bro. L. Lower. That Bro. Stedman be nominated. Bro. Stedman agreed to stand.


Correspondence announcing a competition in Aid of Assurance and Orphan Funds.


The shed delegate gave his report of meeting with Mr. Fuller ie Lobby accommodation, Mr. Fuller reported the matter to Waterloo and they stated that owing to improvements at Newhaven could be done, but he would have the place swept out each day and scrubbed out twice a week, and he also stated that a sanitary bin was being placed in lobby to place rubbish in.


Bro. Barrow handed in his resignation as shed representative.


Pro. By F. Wilmshurst. That Secretary take up with N.U.R. Secretary with the idea of forming a L.D.C. Bro. C. Barrow seconded. Carried.


Bro. H. Stedman asked Secretary to state fully in his letter to the N.U.R. Secretary the object of an L.D.C. And to call an open meeting of all Loco-men at this Depot to form the same and also to state that an L,D.C. Comprises four representative we were agreeable to nominate two from each union.


Bro. H. Stedmen asked Chairman to as Bro. Barrow to continue as Shed Representative until L.D.C. Was formed, Bro. Barrow said he was agreeable.


Pro. by L. Lower & sec by C. Barrow that H. Hamblin be readmitted to the Society. Carried.

 

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Open Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sunday 7th Nov. 1926

The meeting for all grades in the Loco Depot for the idea of forming a L.D.C. At this Depot.

Bro. H. Stedman in the Chair


15 members present


Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. W. Smith that Bro. H. Stedman take the Chair. Carried Unan


Chairman opened with a few remarks on the benefits of a L.D.C.


Pro. By F. Browning sec by F. Sherwin. That we make application to be formal. Carried.


Agreed that joint application be made. Nominations for Representatives was next called it being a general view. 

That it was as opportune time to elect them as there was a good attendance.


Pro. by H Musgrove & sec by P. Lower. That F. Browning be elected, 

Pro F. Sherwin & sec. By F. Wilmshurst. That H. Stedman, 

Pro. By F. Wilmshurst & sec. By E. Brooker. That M. Smith be elected.

Pro by F. Wilmshurst & Sec C. Woolger. That nominations be elected in Block. Carried unam.


Pro by M. Smith and seconded by Bro. P. Lower. That nominees be elected in block. Carried unanimous


Secretary of N.U.R. stated that they could find a representative for shed staff.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sunday 28th Nov. 1926

Bro. H. Stedman in the Chair


8 members present


Minutes of October meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. W. Smith and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence letter from Secretary of Sectional Council re transferred Drivers firing when a unions were Driving.


Letter read from Chairman of Executive, Bro. Cordrey re recent strike on behalf of miners and report of monies paid out as benefits in strikes since 1919.


Business of Election of Officers for onsuing year be left over till next meeting as it was a general opinion that there was a poor representation of the members here being only 8 present and Bro. Stedmen pro. That election of officer would take place, the Secretary also stated that he made it quite clear that, he assure need it was Annual Meeting, on this meeting  notice and also that next meeting take place on December 19th.


Bro. Brown pro. That Shed Spokesman see Foreman to see if better coal could be placed on boat engines.


Minutes of Special Meeting of both Unions to consider application for L.D.C. read and discussed. Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That they be accepted as a true record.


Secretary stated that he and Secretary of N.U.R. had drafted a letter to Mr. Maitland asking for formation of same and had received reply to the effect that he had forwarded it on to proper quarter.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sunday 19th Dec. 1926

Bro. F. Sherwin in the Chair


Minutes of November meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Brown and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence, letter from Head Office re contribution to Miners Wife & Children by the A.S.L.E. & F. read and discussed.

Letter read reporting the Death of Assistant General Secretary Mr. Moore.

Proposed by Bro. H. Stedman and seconded by Bro. F. Wilmshurst. That Secretary send a letter of condolence to Widow and Family.


Bro. C. Barrow gave his report of meeting with Foreman re better coal for engines working boat trains.


Election of Officers

Proposed by Bro. H. Bowden and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That Bro. F. Wilmshurst be Chairman for 1927.

Proposed by Bro. E. Brooker and seconded by Bro. F. Brown. That Bro. H. Stedman be Vice Chairman.

Proposed by Bro. A. Rookley and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden. That Bro. A. Pearce, still remain as Secretary.

Proposed by Bro. J. Giles and seconded by Bro. F. Brown. That Bro. W. Brown remain as Assistant Secretary.


The election of the Committee was taken en bloc the following members to constitute the same.

Bros. H. Bowden, J. Giles, C. Barrow, J. Hillman, F. Brown & L. Lower.

Auditors

Proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst and seconded by Bro. F. Brown that Bros. C. Wilson and F. Sherwin be auditors for 1927.

Representatives for Trades and Labour Council.

Proposed by Bro. C. Wood and seconded by Bro. J. Giles. That Bros. H. Stedman and F. Sherwin serve on same.


Bro. H. Stedman spoke highly of Secretary's work in the Branch for the past year and hoped he would continue for many years to come, he also spoke highly of Bro. F. Sherwin as Chairman and he said that the past year had been a real test of endurance for Officers and Members alike.


Proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That meetings be held on Sunday mornings instead evenings at 11 a.m. Carried Unanm

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on the 30th Jan. 1927

Bro. C. Barrow in the Chair


Minutes of December meeting read and discussed, proposed and seconded by Bro. J. Giles. That they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence, letter from Head Office re Mr. Moore’s death and branches asked to nominate for position of Assistant General Secretary.

Circulars from Bro. Gregory of Cardiff and Bro. Sweeney of Birmingham asking for their nominations.

Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. J. Giles. That we nominate Bro. Sweeney. Carried.


Letter from H. O. re County Donegal Railway working Motor Train or Bus with men out of the line promotion. After several meetings of the representatives of the Society & Company in question an agreement was reached, that these trains or Buses be discontinued.


Bro. H. Stedman gave his report on the advancing of the L.D.C. And also read a letter from Mr. Fuller giving names of those elected for Company sides as follows.

Mr. Fuller (Chairman), Mr. Maitland, Mr Rampton & Mr. Manning (Secretary).

 


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1927

Chairman Bro. F. Wilmshurst

Vice Chair Bro. H. Stedman 

Secretary A. Pearce

Ass. Secretary Bro. W. Brown



 

That a meeting held in Drivers Room on Sun. Jan. 23. 1927 of the men’s side, the following were elected as act as officer for 1927 

Pro. By P. Fenner. That H. Stedman act as Secretary, Pro. By M. Smith that F. Browning act as Chairman.


Bro. H. Stedman spoke of the courtesy of Mr. Fuller in writing and giving the names of those on the companies side and also asking if the were satisfied. Bro. Stedman explaining that he thought it was step in the right direction for amicable working of both sides, he also gave full details of how he intended to proceed now he was elected as Secretary and asked if any member had any question to ask on the procedures.


Secretary gave his opinion of Bro. Stedman's procedure and said he thought much more could be gained by peaceful methods than by rush, Bro. F. Sherwin endorsed his remarks.


Any Other Business, 

Bro Ellis asked meeting, if the National Agreement was going to be achieved to during the Summer in respect to overtime, also if we could say that there should be any special rate in respect to calling up.

 

  Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sunday 27th Feb. 1927

10 members present


Minutes of January meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. A. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence, Guaranteed week circular from H. O. outlining the conditions for the resumption of the guaranteed week to start on and from April 11th 1927.


Personal Circular from General Secretary re state of affairs of Society’s Financial and suggestions for economics to bet Society on Financial footing.


Any Other Business, Bro. Brown gave his report on a interview with the Foreman on the question of placing Bro. A. Lower in turn for Sunday Duty with other spare Fireman, also the question of Cleaners re Sunday Duty for the coming summer.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun March 27th 1927

Bro. H. Stedman in the Chair


9 members present


Minutes of February meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. C. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence, circular from Bro. Gregory asking for support for position of Assistant General Secretary. Chairman spoke on behalf of Bro. Squance and asked members to support him for position as Bro. Squance had been a worker for the Society for the Society’s casual and had suffered imprisonment through standing by his principles.


Any Other Business.

Bro. C. Lower moved & sec. By C. Barrow. That short goods link & goods link be placed into one. This led to a lengthy debate and in the end it was agreed to be on the agenda for the next meeting as it was thought that something might happen in the mean time to alter things.


Bro. Ellis asked if Secretary could say if good Friday coming on a man holiday  counted in.


Bro. Ellis also brought up the position of cleaners regarding firing duties on Sundays and it was agreed, place item on agenda for next meeting as it was thought that it would be better to go into matter after resumption of the guaranteed week.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun April 24th 1927

Bro. H. Stedman in the Chair.


7 members present


Minutes of March read and discussed, proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. H. Stedman. That they be accepted as a true record.


Owing to very poor attendance Bro. C. Barrow moved that minutes be referred back to if attendance increased.


Correspondence re Executive Personal Circular and re Pro of Firelighters in the Line of Promotion for Fireman at New Cross read and discussed.


Any Other Business, a complaint was brought forward re Shedman Fenner ordering Bro. Potter to inspect engine B436 on Friday April 10th to ascertian if there were any defects. a lengthy discussion took place and in the end it was moves by C. Barrows Sec by H. Clarke 'That LDC be called together to deal with case in dispute.

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun May 29th 1927

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


10 members present


Minutes of April read and discussed, proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence from Head Office re Trades Union Bill read and discussed.


Circular from Secretary of Sectional Council re Coupling and uncoupling of engines on passenger trains. Pro. by F. Sherwin & sec. by J. Giles. ‘ hat this meeting is against the practice of coupling and uncoupling of engines and instruct Branch Secretary to interview each member not present and get opinions and forward resolution to Secretary of Member side of Sectional Council.


Minutes of March meeting which were deferred owing to poor attendance read and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin. That Bro. C. Lower proposition regarding of both goods links be placed on the agenda of Secretary of men’s side L.D.C. seconded by Bro. J. Giles.


Pro. by F. Brown 'That LDC also look into the matter of Sunday turns of firing of B. Peddlesden, Goldson & Ellis.


Ballot papers for position of Assistant General Secretary distributed and filled in.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun June 26th 1927

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


10 members present


Minutes of May meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Chiles and seconded by Bro. J. Giles. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from the minutes re coupling and uncoupling engines on trains by enginemen. Secretary reported that he had been to each member and all were unanimous  against, also Secretary for enginemen N.U.R. had also signed circular for his members against it.


Bro. Stedman reported his interview with Foreman re merging both goods link into one, also firing turns of duty for Bros. Goldston, Ellis and Piddlesden, and Foreman said if spare Fireman agreeable he would bring them into line with others. Bro. Brown gave his report on canvass with other five Fireman and all were unamonios against it.

Pro. by E. Collington & sec. by J. Hillman. 'That goods link stay as they are.' Carried.


H. Hamblin wished to become a member. Pro. by C. Collins & sec. by A. Pearce. Carried unanmious. Bro. Stedman pro and E. Collington seconded. ‘That a welcome be given to Hamblin into the Society'.


Secretary reported that Bros. Bridger and Bollen had lapsed in payment of contributions and

that he had sent a letter to Bro. Bridger aquainting him of his position.


Pro. by C. Barrow. 'That Secretary action be ordered and that a letter be sent to Bro. Bollen'. Seconded by E. King.


Correspondence Circular R.N.T.C. read and discussed.

Letter of appeal  for late Mr. Moore’s widow, read and discussed.

Letter from Head Office re include contributions read and discussed.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun July 31st 1927

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


6 members


Minutes of June read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from minutes re Bro. Bridger lapsing in contributions. Pro by Bro. F. Wilmshurst and sec. by L. Lower. 'That he be given one month to pay sufficent contribitutions to bring him into benefit.' Secretary also reported interview with Bro. Bollen and he promised to pay, but had not done so up to this date.


Bro. Andrews (Brighton Branch) A.A.D. delegae gave his report on this years meeting of the Annula Assembley of Delegates. Bro. Andrews gave an able and interesting report of the whole proceedings and said he would like this Branch to send this resolution to H.O.


'That this Branch wants to know when this year's A.A.D. resolutions are going to be put into operation'. Pro. by F. Sherwin & sec by L. Lower. That Secretary send this resolution to H. O.'


Bro Sherwin proposed a vote of thanks to Bro. Andrews for coming here and giving us such an able report. 

Bro. Wilmshurst also thanked Bro. Andrews and said that since he had been a member of the Society he had never heard such an able report and also that this years A.A.D. have done great work regarding the Society Financially. 

The Secretary also thanked Bro. Andrews and also apologised for such a small attendance, it was not because it was not advertised, he was sure that those members not present had missed an interesting morning and he was rather surrised as some had said that thery were looking forward to Bro. Andrews coming over as they had several questions to ask.


Bro Andrews said it gave him great pleasure to come over and he also said it before ever member to take a deep interest in the Society's affairs as these were troublesome ahead

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun August 28th 1927

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


10 members


Minutes of previous meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. J. Green. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from the minutes re Bro. Bridger, secretary gave a report on interview with Bro. Bridger, who said he would pay 10/- this month and rest of contributions next month. Agreed that it stand over till next meeting to see if Bro. Bridger paid up.


Correspondence letter from Head Office re rebate to enginemen on income tax read and discussed.


Letter from Lincoln branch urging Sectional Councils and L.D.C.s to take action regarding seniority question, read and discussed.


Letter from General Secretary asking for support in tickets in an estimating competition in aid of Orpham Funds.


Letter from Bro Watson E.C. Member asking for the calling of meeting on Sunday 25th, on the  Propaganda  Campain to get lapse members in Society again. Considerable discussion arose over this and it was agreed in the interests of economy, that we should go to Brighton and save speaker coming here, agreed that the matter be left in Secretary's hands and that he write to speaker to arrange for us to to Brighton to hear him.


Any Other Business, Bro. Ellis asked if anything was going to be done regarding the claims at this depot and how we stand regarding seniority with Brighton, as he thought there were Junior men to him with regular job firing. Secretary explained that according letter he had received from Secretary of Sectional Council, we stood on our own and Secretary also referred to minutes of a earlier date of an interview of a shed representatives on the same question with Mr. Fuller and he said we were only under Brighton for administration. 

Considerable discussion arose, Bro. Elliss saying that on several occassions he had made applications for transfer and he had never heard any more of them. It was agreed that as Bro. Boyle was going to see Foreman on his position with Brighton to letter the matter stand over till next meeting.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun Oct. 2nd 1927

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


8 members present


Minutes of Sept meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from minutes re Bro. Bridger contributions, Pro. by F. Sherwin and sec by H. Bowden. 'That Secretary serve final summonds on Bro. Bridger and telling him that he would have to come into benefit or his name would be erased from books.


Letter from Secretary of Labour Club asking for delegates from this branch to attend a special meeting on October 12th of all interested bodies with an idea of getting more commodious  premises at Newhaven.


Letter from Head Office announcing result of second ballot for Assistant General Secretary, Bro. Squance being successful.


Letter from Bro Andrews of Brighton, asking members of this L.D.C. to attend a conference on Sunday Oct 23rd at Labour Club at 3 p.m., with an idea of getting into touch with different shed's working and procedures.


Circular from H.O. re proposal from managers of the Irish Railways for drastic cuts in locomens wages of that Country. Considerable discussion arose, and the General Secretary advising all lapsed members to pay up their contributions and become 100% strong as the English Railway managers were watching this and it might have strong reprecussions in this Country.


Any Other Business, Bro. Charman moved and seconded by Bro. Clark. 'That Secretary of L.D.C. see Foreman re  certain actions of foreman on business apertaining to Cleaners and asking him if he would communicate with him and that Bro. Brown be asked to attend next meeting.


Missed from minutes

Proposed that Bros. H. Bowden and L. Lower attend meeting at Labour Club re more commodious premises.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun Oct. 30th 1927

Bro. H. Stedman in the Chair.


10 members present


Minutes of previous meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. L. Lower. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from minutes, Chairman asked if Bro. Bridger had answered final summonds re contribuations. Secretary explain that Bro. Bridger brought himself into benefit this week.


Correspondence from Head Office re new rules and scales of contributions read and discussed


Nomination Forms for 1928 A.A.D. and also Sectional Council for this area, it was decided not to nominate for A.A.D., but to support Bro. Andrews of Brighton who was standing again.


Another Other business Pro by C. Barrow. ‘ hat Secretary of L.D.C. to see Foreman re dating of Privilege Tickets as it was that present method very inconvenience.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun Nov. 27th 1927

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


12 members present


Minutes of previous meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. J. Giles and seconded by Bro. E. Brooker. That they be accepted as a true recorded.


Arising from minutes asked if Secretary L.D.C. had given report on interview with Foreman re Privilege Tickets, he being absent it was deferred till next meeting.


Correspondence from Head Office re forms for Political Levy, also circular from General Secretary re Executive ignoring the amended rule No.12 reducing their number from twelve to nine, made by the 1927 A.A.D. also jeopardising the General Secretary and the constitution of the Society. Considerable discussion arose and in the end it was moved by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden. That in the event of this year’s A.A.D. having to reassemble, that the Secretary forward this resolution on to our delegate Bro. Andrews. That the amendment of Rule No.12 be strictly enforced ad that 

 


NEWHAVEN

BRANCH 

OFFICERS 

1928

Chairman Bro. F. Wilmshurst

Vice Chair Bro. W. Elliss 

Secretary Bro. A. Pearce

Ass Secretary J. Giles

 

General Secretary suspend payment to Executive Committee until has been put into operation.


Any Other Business, Bro. Potter asked if Branch could move for link owning to his dismissal, he said he was quite willing to go into any grade and he did not mind where he wanted resolved. 'That Secretary see foreman on his behalf, also Secretary write to Bro. Andrews asking information re the nine Cleaners dismissed at Brighton their terms of service etc.


Bro. Goldstone asked if he was in order in making out application claiming seniority with Brighton as he knew their were Junior men to him doing firing duties.

Bro. Goldstone was advised to in application and report at meeting any answer he might receive.


General Secretary suspend payment to Executive Committee until has been put into operation.


Election of Officers

Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded Bro. H. Bowden. That Bro. F. Wilmshurst remain as Chairman. 

Proposed by Bro. W. Goldstone and seconded by Bro. A. Lower. That Bro. Ellis be Charman.

The amendment was lost and Bro. Wilmsurst was elected as Chairman


Proposed by Bro. J. Giles and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That Bro. Pearce as Secretary.


Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. W. Gladstone. That Bro. Ellis be Vice Chairman .


Proposed b Bro. E. Collington and seconded by Bro. A. Lower. That Bro. Brown be Assistant Secretary.

Proposed by Bro. F. Wilmshurst and seconded by Bro. H. Bowden. That Bro. J. Giles be Assistant Secretary.

Bro. J. Giles was duly elected Assistant Secretary.


Auditors Bros F. Sherwin and C. Wilson


Committee 

Bros A. Lower, W. Goldstone, E. Brooker, W. Brown, C. Barrow and H. Bowden, all elected en bloc.


Bros H. Stedman and F. Sherwin were elected as representative of Trades and Labour Council. 


Any Other Business, 

Moved by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. F. Sherwin. That the date of next meeting be Sunday December 18th, owing to the Sunday after Christmas being the 1st of New Year.


Bro. Potter asked if Branch could move for link owning to his dismissal, he said he was quite willing to go into any grade and he did not mind where he wanted resolved. 'That Secretary see foreman on his behalf, also Secretary write to Bro. Andrews asking information re the nine Cleaners dismissed at Brighton their terms of service etc.


Bro. Goldstone asked if he was in order in making out application claiming seniority with Brighton as he knew their were Junior men to him doing firing duties.


Bro. Goldstone was advised to in application and report at meeting any answer he might receive. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun Dec. 18th 1927

Bro. H. Stedman in the Chair


10 members present


Minutes of Nov. meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from October minutes re interview with Foreman on Privilege Tickets, Bro Steadman gave his report and said that the Foreman said he had no jurisdiction over the filling in of tickets it was his orders.


Correspondence read and discussed re Executive and General Secretary and Head Office asking for the new Executive.


Any Other Business, 

Place of meeting, proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. W. Clarke. That we still hold them at the Railway Hotel. Carried


Pro. by H. Steadman & sec. by F. Sherwin. 'That Secretary's action be endorsed for paying Bro. Potter out of work pay from contributions owing to H. O not forwarding it on.


Pro C. Barrow & sec. by E. Collington. 'That Bro. Stedman interview Foreman re the state of the fire place in Driver’s and Fireman’s lobby.


Nominations for L.D.C.

Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. L. Lower. That Bro. H. Stedman and W. Smith stand.

Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin. that Bro. Stedman stand and seconded by Bro. L. Lower.

Proposed by Bro. C. Barrow. That Bro. Clarke stand and seconded by Bro. H. Stedman


Bros H. Stedman and Clarke were duly elected


Voting papers for Sectional Council received and filled in.


Discussion arose re Good Friday Dinner, resolved that it stand over till next meeting

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun Jan. 29th 1928

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


7 members present


Minutes of Dec. meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. A. Lower and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence circular from Head Office announcing Official Candiates for forthcoming elections of Sectional Councils and General Secretary calling on all members to vote for Official Candiates.


Circular announcing representatives for 1928 A.A.D.


Nominations for Trades Union Congress, Labour Party Conference


Form from Head Office asking for agent for Insurance Section, proposed by Bro. C. Barrow and seconded by Bro. A. Lower. That Secretary be Agent. Caaried. 


Secretary gave report of meeting of L.D.C. in Brighton on previous and also meeting Bro. Barton Wilde and his expressing a desire to come over to our Branch on sunday Feb. 26th. Considerable discussion arose, it was moved by C. Barrow & seconded by W. Elliss. 'That we hold a meeting at 2.30 p.m. sharp and Secretaryto post a notice in time so we get as members to attend as possible 


Bro H. Steadman gave his report on interview with Foreman re condition of grate in Drivers and Fireman's lobby. The foreman saying he would not have a new put in but he would have it repaired.


Letter from from Bro. F. Sherwin Branch  auditor giving his report on the Branch audit of the Branch books and explaining there correct and good order.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun Feb. 26th 1928

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


Minutes of Jan. meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. H. Stedman and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That they be accepted as a true record.


Correspondence circular from Head Office re road transport bill before the House of Commons, giving Railway Companies process on the roads, read and discussed.


Bro. H .Steadman L.D.C. Secretary gave his report on interview with Foreman re disfunction of L.D.C. and reverting back to shed representation.


Chairman called for nominations 

Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That Bro. H. Steadman stand

Proposed by Bro. W. Goldstone and seconded by M. Smith. That Bro. W. Clarke stand.

Bro. H. Stedman was elected.


Any Other business, Bro Clarke asked if Shed Representative could see Foreman on rostered turn 8 a.m. on Saturday's resolved, that shed Representative interview foreman on Matter.


Bro. Barton Wilde gave us a most interesting address on our present position as loco-men re electrification and also the 'Road Power Bill' for railways now before parliament, also present position of society.

Pro. By H.Stedman & sec. By W. Smith. That the best thanks of meeting be given to Bro. Barton Wilde for the interesting address he had given.


 Secretary also thanked members for the good attendance as he said it it gave him encouragement as showed they took a keen interest in the organisating.


Pro. By C, Lower & sec. By E. Brooker. That a report of this meeting be sent to the Locomotive Journal for publication.

 

Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun March 26th 1928

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


12 members present


Minutes of Feb meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. A. Rookley. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from the minutes re Bro. W. Clarke resolution Shed Reresentation interviewing Foreman on 8 a.m. turn on Saturday's. bro. Steadman gave an explanation as to why he did interview Foreman and Bro. clarke withdrew his resolution.


Correspondence letter from Secretary of Labour Club re adjourned conference of new building for Labour resolved, that Secretary attend.


Voting papers for Executive Committee, Secretary did a letter canvasing on behalf go Bro. Lewery of Brighton.


Any Other Business, bro Goldsden brought his case before the Branch re transfer to another Depot considerable discussion arose and it was moved by A. Rookley & Sec. by L. Lower. ‘ hat Shed Representative interview Foreman at the first opportunity.


Bro. Boyle brought his case forwarded re Driver Pearce altering holidays and doing running work that he should have being senior, Considerable discussion arose and it was moved by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. C. Barrow. That shed representative interview Foreman on the matter.

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL APRIL 1928

NEWHAVEN BRANCH

 

meeting was held on February 26th, with Bro. Wilmshurst in the chair, when we had a good attendance, and the pleasure of our Organizer, Bro. Barton Wild. After our branch business was disposed of, Bro Wild gave a very interesting address on the present position of our organisation, also the Bills now before Parliament to give powers to Railways for road transport. Many questions were asked and satisfactorily answered. The best thanks of the meeting were accorded to Bro. Wild for the interesting time he had given us. I should like to thank all members for their attendance, as it shows they are taking a keen interest in our organisation. Bro. Andrews*, our A.A.D. delegate also came to over to see us.

A.PEARCE, Branch Sec.

* Bro. Andrews of Brighton Branch

 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun March 26th 1928

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


8 members present


Minutes of March meeting read and discussed, proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. W. Clarke. That they be accepted as a true record. Proposed by Bro. F. Sherwin and seconded by Bro. W. Clarke. That minutes of March stand over till next meeting owing to Shed Representative not being present.


Chairman read a letter he has received from Head Office re defaulting secretaries and calling a meeting of the commmitte to see Branch Secretary carried out rules. Chairman said he did not think he had anything to fear at this Branch and so he did not think it necessary.

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun May 27th 1928

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair


13 members present


Minutes of March and April read and discussed, proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. W. Brown. That they be accepted as a true record.


Arising from March minutes re Bros. Boyle, Goldstone and Ellis. Bro. Stedman gave his report with Foreman, a lengthy discussion took place. Proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. A. Norman. That the meeting was satisfied with Bro. Stedman’s report.


Correspondence read and discussed, letter from local Labour Party asking for delegates to attend a meeting in connection with a Flower Show in August. Proposed by Bro. L. Lower and seconded by Bro. J. Giles. That Bros. Clarke and Sherwin attend. 


Any Other business, Branch Secretary brought to branch notice re Bro Bridger arrears. Pro. by M. Smith & sec. by Sherwin. That Secretary erease his name from books. Pro. by H. Steadman & Sec. by C. Barrow. 'That he not be re-addmitted for a period of over a 12 months.


A lengthy discussion next took place re the System of Seniority.


Voting papers were issued for delegates for Trade Union Congress and Labour Party Conference and also Society’s Balance Sheet. 

 

 Minutes of the Newhaven Branch Meeting

held at the Railway Hotel on Sun Nov. 25th 1928

Bro. F. Wilmshurst in the Chair