IGNITING THE SUSSEX BEACONS

OF UNITY

THE HISTORY OF THE

SUSSEX BRANCHES OF A.S.L.E.F. 



EVERY PICTURE TELLS A STORY 

 One of the main reasons for doing these web sites is to try and explain to everybody the history of the footplate grades, the conditions they had to work in and the creation of the A.S.L.E.F. branches within the Brighton & Sussex area.

I am therefore very grateful for people sending me personal photos from their personal collection and for allowing me to display them on the web sites. But unfortunately what is missing, are the stories that accompany them. What I want to do is to try and remedy this by starting to record the remaining stories that are still out there, before they too are lost in the midst of time.

I have added some information about some of the drivers that I know and the comments that have already have been sent to me.

If you too have any stories about your own working life on the footplate, the people that you worked with and the conditions you had to work in please send me and I will post, on the web site.

If you are interested in helping me in capturing these stories by any means possible please let me know.


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HORSHAM E.M.U.T.


  This web page is dedicated to all A.S.L.E.F. members who have worked at Horsham depot over the years, and it features A.S.L.E.F. members who brought the trains of Horsham to life.


JOHN SCRACE COLLECTION

Leading Motorman Charles Scrace

The head code is to commemorate his 65th birthday and his retirement.

 Charlie Scrace seniority date 22.10.1917. Charlie was a Horsham man all of his career. He ended up as Leading Motorman at Horsham before he retired in 1966. His son, John is the well known railway photographer.

The first Society National School at Beatrice Webb House 1972.

ANDY BRYANT COLLECTION

Back Row - Derek Harbour (Gloucester), Andrew Cook (Ayr), Ron Capstick (Garston), Alan Taylor (Norwood), 
Harry Phillips (Norwich), Allan Binks (Sheffield Mid), Frank Baines (Sheffield Tinsley), Roan Bradshaw (Shrewsbury), Harry Moss (Buxton), Harry Newell (Longsight), Brian Williams (Enfield).
Middle Row - Bob Towers (Head Office), Ken Silverthorn (Ramsgate), Colin Marshall (Horsham), Brian Kervin (Swindon), Gerald Leathley (Hull), George Brown (Selhurst), Alf Bryant(Aylesbury), Arthur Walkiden (Maidstone), Ernest Thomas (Leytonstone), Graham Turner (Parkeston), Melvyn Cox (Bournemouth), Andrew Cotogno (Kings X), Fred Johnson (Carlisle 1) 
Front Row - John Eaton (Toton), David Bush (Slade Green), Derek Deacon (Grove Park), Noel Pinches (Organising Sec), Robert Walker(Neasden Met & Bakerloo), John Whitefield (March), John Young (West Brompton) 

Fred Manvell

 Seniority Date 22.04.1940

Gordon Percival
Seniority date 22.01.1941


Left ~ Right: Biff Manvell, Jack Brooker, Cyril Brookhurst, Harry Clack 

& Fred Manvell

L~R Fred Manvell, Reg Hampshire (27.05.1947) 

& Gordon Percival (22.01.1941)

Cyril Brockhurst & Biff Manvell

HORSHAM MOTORMEN BEING ISSUED WITH THEIR E.P. KEYS AFTER THEY HAD BEEN TRAINED ON E.P.B. STOCK 

Name                                                Key No.           Date.    

Barham.                                                      152

Heasham.                                                   153

Sargent.                                                      154

Parker.                                                        155

Martin.                                                       157

Shrubb.                                                       159

Packham.                                                    160

Brackpool.                                                  161

Woolmer.                                                    163

Howey.                                                       164

Brockhurst, C.                                                165

Carr.                                                           166

Knight.                                                       168

Brooker. J.                                                     171

West.                                                          172

Symons. E.                                                     173

Ruff.                                                           174

Groom bridge.                                            176

Scutt. F.                                                          179

Taylor.                                                        180

Garham.                                                     181

Gorringe.                                                       182

Pelham.                                                      187

Clack, H.                                                         188

Lawrence.                                                  301

Scarce, C                                                       304

Little.                                                         431

Manvell, F                                                  1894

Percival, G.                  2253.........08.07.1957

Hutchins, W.                2351.........29.05.1958

Bulbeck, C.                  2418.........03.05.1958

Greenwood, D.             2419.........03.05.1958

Pitt, L.                          2468.........30.05.1958

Godden, F.A.                 2754.........12.07.1958

Penfold, D.                   2922.........16.05.1959

Hampshire, R.              3367.........14.05.1960

Wheeler.                       3304.........30.07.1960

INFORMATION FROM THE E.P. REGISTER OF THE SOUTHERN REGION TRAINING SCHOOL BASED AT STEWART’S LANE   

 Curtsey of Brian Cooke

Reg Hampshire standing on the up fast platform at South Croydon in 13th April 1983. 

The headcode denotes that the train is a fast Horsham to Victoria (via Quarry line) and the unit is a 4 V.E.G. 

(a convert V.E.P. for the Vic to Gatwick rail-air service).


Roy Peckham

01.02.1950



R. Pope


 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

OCTOBER 1976

HORSHAM


E.C. MEMBER AT HORSHAM


On Sunday, September 7, Horsham enjoyed a visit from E.C. Member Bro. D. Fullick, who was once again in fine voice.

Derek gave us a first-class report and up-to-the-minute details of all aspects of conditions affecting our member grades. Particular attention was paid to the B.R. financial position and also to the subject of consumption of alcohol.\both items gave plant of scope for questions from the floor, and Derek was kept busy to answer them all in the time at our disposal. (When is someone going to invent a 30-hour day?)

A first class meeting, well attended and fully enjoyed by the E.C. Member as well as by the Horsham membership.

W. Hutchings

Branch Secretary 

Mick James 

 

Geoff Ball (28.08.1963)

 

Horsham Down Sidings 

LONG MAY SHE REIGN OVER US


This picture of Queen Elizabeth originates back to the old loco days, were it hung in the lobby, so when the loco closed it moved down to the Station, and was re hung in the Driver’s end of the messroom. 

As far as I know the Motormen's first room was on platform one, and they booked on there, not sure if the dual link booked on in the Loco or down the station. I never went in it, but stayed in the Hornby link.

Rodney Burstow

 

The last Central "Mary" Trip to Horsham 

1907 - 1982

 

 

Mick Neale (17.07.1978) c1989 

(Transferred back to Immingham) 

Don Payne

11.10.1943

 

 

Jack Pitt (28.02.1944) in foreground 

& Ken Slaughter (Horsham Guard) in the back ground). 

R.Wheeler


 

 

Dick Holden 

Mick Hockley 

14.01.1957

 

 

Bob Dorkings & Graham Hedger (West Worthing)

Not to sure if Bob was at Horsham or Littlehampton when this photo was taken in the early 1980s

 

 

Horsham "A shift" 1980s

Standing Left ~Right: Brian Whitehead, Neville Speed, Don Payne, C. Grant, & Reg Hampshire, 

Seated from the 

Back Row L~R: A. Harris, George Burton, 

Middle Row: Tony Luff & H. Clack, 

Front Row: Dave Penfold, W. Edwards & Dave Greenwood.

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

MARCH 1992


I have read the D.R. I from British Rail dated 14 January and I feel a few of my thoughts would not be a miss.

Some parts i do agree with i.e a maximum of 55 rostered hours in any one week; no split shifts; 12 turns of duty in any two weeks; 12 house between shifts; and, of course better wages and better pensions.

What I feel needs a lot of attention is turns of duty not over five and half hours and no P.N. Breaks. On the Southern Region (Central), five hours continuous driving on a suburban stopping service would in my opinion, would not only be soul destroying but a big safety risk. I can foresee many angry L.D.C. meetings over this problem.

On page 7 of the report, the final paragraph: M&EE staff moving units within depots. If this takes place, what’s going to happen to drivers unfortunate enough to fail medical or eyesight tests? It makes you think!

Finally, why has it taken British Rail so long to realise that they need more recruits for driving when the unions have been telling them for years that a shortage of  drivers was bound to happen, but no notice was taken?

Best wishes to you all, and may you have good health and strength to get a good deal for all.

W (Bill) Hutchings

Retired, Horsham Branch

 

Alan Evans

 


Geoff Ball, Ron Thomas (Epsom), Dave Greenwood (front) & Unknown 

Left: Eddie Jones c1983 

06.04.1940

 

 

 

Geoff Ball, Ron Thomas (Epsom), Dave Greenwood & Dave Penfold

(George Burton?, Don Payne?, J. Eaton?)

 

 Horsham E.M.U.T. Seniority list February 1988 

 

 

 Above L-R Chris Bassett, Denis Bloom & Unknown

Left

L-R Paul White (Bog), Denise Bloom & Chris Bassett

 

 Horsham Train Crew & Platform Staff photographed on 22nd June 1994 during the R.M.T.'s Signalmans Strike:

Standing Tony Hooper, Brian Boxall, Mark Hateley(?), Dennis Watts, Unknown(1), Graham Holmes, Graham Richardson (Guard), Chris Bassett, Ron Trotman, Dick Ford, Geoff Waters (Trainman "G"), Reg Hampshire,

Mick Hockley & Brian Flack (Trainman "G").

Front Keith Hollingsworth, John Spears & Unknown(2).



 

Horsham Branch Sidings

 

 

Locomotive Journal

Septrmber 2010

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

ALMOST £5,700 RAISED FOR CANCER CHARITY

IN July I cycled fromJohn O'Groats to Lands End in aid of Cancer Research UK.

I did this in memory of my mum-in-law who passed away last year. She was married to Cliff Pattenden, a retired Three Bridges driver who was my Driving Instructor.

My work colleagues were very generous and when ASLEF very kindly put out a national appeal, branches

donated a further £295. Without Gift aid we have now raised £4,860 (our target was £1,500!). With Gift aid it will be nearer £5,700!

Many thanks to you all for your remarkable generosity. If you are interested, there are some pictures of my journey on-line at www.kevsjogle.com.

Kevin Shepherd, Horsham

  Ken Hall & Malcolm Gurr

 in the Malt Sidings c2005

 

Left

Biff Manvell

At Havant with The Southern Belle on 17th September 2005

This was a farewell tour of the Kent Coasters (C.E.P.s) that were introduce on the Southern Region between 1951/57. They were initially were built for the electrification of the coastal towns in Kent and were later used across the Southern Region.








Photo from
Colin Price
Collection

 

 

 

BIFF MANVELL'S PRESENTATION 2011

Above

Biff Manvell

receiving his

fifty years A.S.L.E.F. medallion



 

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

APRIL 2013

YES TO EUROPE TRADE, NO TO THE EU

Glenis Willmott’s article about the EU (February Journal) was interesting - although not entirely accurate. Sadly she's brought out the same old trade argument which simply does not stand up. The UK currently has around 40%of its trade with the EU, therefore we have around 60% of our trade with non-EU countries who are generally enjoying faster growth of trade,output, employment and living standards than EU members where with one or two exceptions, growth is minimal or negative. Before you dispute my figures perhaps Glenis Willmott would like to comment on the ‘Rotterdam effect’, whereby UK exports sent to non-EU countries via continental ports are erroneously counted as exports to the EU. She might also like to comment on why the EU has been unable to convince its own auditors to sign off its accounts for any of the last 18 years! If the EU were a business, its directors would be in jail.

If the UK left the EU we could continue to be a member of the European Economic Area (EEA), and trade with our European neighbours would continue in much the same way as it does now, largely because it would be in everyone’s interest to do so, given that we buy a lot more from the EU than they buy from us. Furthermore if we left the EU, the UK could regain its seat on the World Trade Organisation (WTO) and its ability to negotiate bilateral trade agreements with non-EU countries.

I could argue for a long time over the figures, but of greater concern to me is the EU’s total disregard for democracy. For example we now have Herman Van Rompuy as president of 500 million EU citizens but not one of us had an opportunity to vote for him. He was simply appointed. We also have the very sinister European Arrest Warrant, under which any of us could be arrested, and held in custody without charge, for an indefinite period in any EU country.

Now we find that despite massive regulation, we have been consuming horse meat masquerading as beef in this country for some time. This is surely a classic example of how the EU has failed its citizens. I agree with Glenis that the on-going uncertainty over a referendum is harmful - so the sooner it happens the better. If the EU is such a brilliant idea why are the ruling political elites of all parties so frightened of a referendum? Remember no-one under the age of 56 has ever had the opportunity to vote on the issue, and those over 56 only voted on joining a trading block, not a European Federation.

How about devoting a full page in the Journal to the pro-independence view, just to balance things up?Ken Hall, Horsham,

 

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

JULY 2013

 Marz Colombini (centre) presents long service awards to (from left) Stuart Boaks (20 years), Andy Coombe (10), Richard Copeland (5), and David Baker (15)

Marz Colombini, our E.C member, attended our April branch meeting and as well as providing us with lots of very

interesting information was kind enough to award members service badges.

The four drivers in the photograph have a total of half a century’s service. This is the number of years Biff Manvell put in on his own, and we regret we don’t have a picture of him but all our cameras had an off day! No offence, Biff!

Pete Scott,

Secretary

Horsham Branch

 

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL


NOVEMBER 2013


ARTHUR GODDEN


SOUND OF MUSIC



Arthur godden died on 31 July at the age of 83. Arthur started his railway career at horsham, followed by Victoria. He did his national service from 1947 to 1949. He loved musicals, and all types of music, especially Frank Sinatra, and made many visits to the Albert hall for concerts. Our thoughts are with his long time friend Peggy at this very sad time.


Ken HeydonBattersea Branch


Left Arthur Godden 

 

THE OPENING OF HORSHSAM's NEW

TRAIN CREW MESS ROOM 

DECENBER 2013

 

To commemorate the new Horsham Crew Room Pete Scott and his daughter Jenny Scott (Conductor at Horsham) recreated a Horsham Depot Picture which is based it on an old picture of Horsham Loco Depot, by a cutting and pastingthe current Train Crew staff heads onto the bodies of existing photo. The result is a picture below, with a large version will be in the Train Crew room. The picture contains the face of every driver Horsham (bar one who is moving to Caterham..), every Horsham Conductor, a number of the platform staff, and three local managers.
 
 

 Pete Scott Collection

 

Horsham Depot Picture 2013

 

Front Row Left to Right - Pete Scott (D), Grahame Harris (P), Chris Brook (D), Ian Cox (D), Kevin Shepherd (D),

Darren Welsh (D),David Baker (D), Stuart Boaks (D), Denise Bloom (D), Richard Black (D), Graham Richardson (C),

 Tim Milward (LM), Kevin Bass (D),Brian Templeton (D), Steve Webb (D), Maria Hulbard (DOM), Andy Card (C)

Second Row Row Left to Right - John Aitkin (C), Andy Philbrick (D), Valentine Ogwu (C), Lee Laker (C),               Mark Allin (D), Simon Horton (C), Martin Green (D), Johnny Jones (D), Sonia Milner (C), Will Lock (D), Dan Penfold (D),  Dave Bellinger (D),Alan Colwill (D), Clayton Turner (D), Andy Morgan (C), Paul Coxall (D), Andy McConnon (D), Ian Foran (D), Keith Pountney (C),R O’Sullivan (D), Omar Ali (C), Kevin Alderton (P)

 

Third Row Left to Right - Mick Hall (C), John Chew (C), Cliff Brooker (D), Basil Byers (P), Andy Clark (P),                  Jim Churcher (D), Sangeet Karthikeyan (C), Tony Bush (D), Neil Collier (D), Andy Coombe (D), Sean Healy (D),       Rob Thorne, Rob Bird (D), Bo Toia (D),Fernando Engelbrect (C), Dave Roberts (D), Jenny Scott (C), Andy Hine (C), Andy Gant (D), Joe Wood (C), Sandy Cassidy (C), Simon Morse (C),  Harry Dall (C), Martin Richardson (D),           Andy Robson (D), David Retter (D), Ken Hall (D), Adrian Walsh (C)

 

Back Row Left to Right - Marcus Humprey (D), Kevin Nye (LM), Pete Ambiguo (D), Stewart Allen (D),                 Danny Bright (P),Terry Herbert (D), Russell Little (C), Bob Robinson (D), Geoff Denman (P), Mush Marad (C),    Darren Lee (C), Pete Cheeseman (D), Mike Ryan (D), Kevin Attwell (P), Richard Copeland (D), Dave Haines (C)

 

Cab Left to Right - Mark Judd (D), Andy Melillo (C), Francis Taylor (C), Chris Bassett (D)

 

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

APRIL 2014

Illusion of democracy


I read with interest Glenis Willmott’s article in the January Journal. What Glenis failed to mention is that the EU Parliament has little or no power, so it doesn’t really matter what the UKIP group or Labour group votes for. All the power at the European Union rests with the 27 commissioners, only one of which represents

the UK. Most people don’t know who their EU Commissioner is, largely because not one of us had the opportunity to vote for her (there’s a clue) as she was appointed.

The EU Parliament exists to create an illusion of democracy. It does not have legislative initiative; it is not able to initiate laws and policies, which is precisely what you would expect a Parliament to be doing. It votes on the regulations and directives created by the commissioners and their army of bureaucrats. But even if Parliament votes against a piece of legislation, the commissioners could, and would, overrule that decision. At best they can tweak it slightly and claim to have made major changes, in the same way that the failed EU constitution became the Treaty of Lisbon.

If the UK were to withdraw from the EU, it would once again be up to our own government at Westminster to introduce legislation through a democratic process. This is not perfect, but at least you know who your MP is and it’s straightforward to lobby them, as an individual, or a union, and if said MP doesn’t shape up, you have the opportunity to select someone else at the general election, unlike the EU Commissioners, who are accountable to no one.

Ken Hall, 

Horsham branch 

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

JULY 2016

E.C. saw through rhetoric

It’s reassuring that A.S.L.E.F.’s executive committee saw through the E.U. rhetoric and backed the Leave campaign. However, true to our democratic roots, a full page in the Journal was given to Alan Johnson to put the opposite view, but Alan only told half the story. Kelvin Hopkins, who offers A View from the Left, says ‘The E.U. is not at its core about employment rights, nor is it about human rights. Employment rights have been established to give the illusion it is on the side of workers and trade unions, at least slightly, and to keep trade unions passive and quiescent.’

Ken Hall

Horsham

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

JULY 2016

SO WE BEAT ON, BOATS AGAINST THE CURRENT 

In these difficult times working for Southern or G.T.R. or whatever they want to call themselves it is good to report that, despite all the company throws at us, the spirit at Horsham depot remains as strong as ever. Our colleagues in the R.M.T. have manned the picket line and suffered financial and physical hardship, given the weather, and had their travel and parking privileges withdrawn, all to defend running a safe railway. Due to legal shenanigans by G.T.R., drivers have bee unable to show similar support. Our fantastic L.D.C. rep Stuart Boaks asked for donations to help our R.M.T. colleagues at this difficult time. I am proud to say that our depot, with about 60 drivers, raised £2,500 which was shared equally among R.M.T. members. I think this is a fantastic effort and shows our spirit and commitment to do everything we can to stop any expansion of D.O.O. services.

Pete Scott, Branch Secretary 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

DECEMBER 2016


I note that A.S.L.E.F. has offered an official poppy badge which appears to be in support of the Royal British Legion poppy appeal. However, there is no indication on the A.S.L.E.F. shop website or in the Journal that a donation to the poppy appeal will be made from the sale of each badge. Please clarify the situation because at the moment it looks like you are selling poppy merchandise for the benefit of A.S.L.E.F., not the benefit of the poppy appeal.

Ken Hall, Horsham
All profits go to the RBL, Ken. 

Horsham Branch Picket Line
Tuesday 13th December 2016
DAY 1
SEAN HEALY COLECTION
Horsham Branch Picket Line
Wednesday 14th December 2016
DAY 2
EDWARD GILSENAN COLLECTION

Horsham Members Picket Line 

 Friday 16th December 2016

DAY 3

STUART BOAKS COLLECTION

Horsham Branch Picket Line 

Tuesday 10th January 2017

DAY 4


STUART BOAKES COLLECTION
Edward Gilsenan Collection

Horsham Branch Picket Line 

Wednesday 11th January 2017

DAY 5

RODNEY BURSTOW COLLECTION
STUART BOAKS COLLECTION

Horsham Branch Picket Line 

Friday 13th January 2017

DAY6


Edward Gilsenan Collection

 

 

 

 

 

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