IGNITING THE SUSSEX BEACONS

OF UNITY

THE HISTORY OF THE

SUSSEX BRANCHES OF A.S.L.E.F. 



EVERY PICTURE TELLS A STORY 

 One of the main reasons for doing these web sites is to try and explain to everybody the history of the footplate grades, the conditions they had to work in and the creation of the A.S.L.E.F. branches within the Brighton & Sussex area.

I am therefore very grateful for people sending me personal photos from their personal collection and for allowing me to display them on the web sites. But unfortunately what is missing, are the stories that accompany them. What I want to do is to try and remedy this by starting to record the remaining stories that are still out there, before they too are lost in the midst of time.

I have added some information about some of the drivers that I know and the comments that have already have been sent to me.

If you too have any stories about your own working life on the footplate, the people that you worked with and the conditions you had to work in please send me and I will post, on the web site.

If you are interested in helping me in capturing these stories by any means possible please let me know.




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I am trying to find out the names of the A.S.L.E.F. Branch Secretaries for the Horsham Branch and the dates they served between. if you have any info please can you let me know.

W. Buckham c1900, W. H. Worcester c1911,W.Tullet c1912, A. Francis c1926, R.T. Taylor c1942, Frank Barham c1945, George Howse c1948/51, William (Bill) Hutchings, Rodney Burstow pre 1982 - 1992 (retired), Ken Bass c1993, Pete. Scott c2008

 

 

HORSHAM

 


  This web page is dedicated to all A.S.L.E.F. members who have worked at Horsham depot over the years, and it features A.S.L.E.F. members who brought the trains of Horsham to life.

  

 

The Horsham locomotive shed was opened on 14th February 1848 by the L.B.S.C.R. (Shed Code Hors). The locomotive shed was to close on the 18th July 1959 with the steam depot remaining opened until 27th January 1964.

With the electrification arriving at Horsham, this created a Motorman’s (E.M.U.T.) depot opening in 1938.

The Horsham Branch of ASLEF was opened on 24th April 1898.

Jack Enves of Brighton Branch, spoke at the opening of the Newhaven Branch on the 16th June 1912, that A.S.L.E.F. members from Midhurst, Littlehampton & Bognor, were part of the Horsham Branch.


 

 

RECORDS OF THE PIONEERING ENGINE-MEN AT

HORSHAM 

 

 

RICHARD LANGRIDGE

Born on March 3rd 1834 and entered the railway service as an engine cleaner in October 1849.

First appears on the books as cleaner @ 14/- per week April 1852.

Rate of pay at commencement 15/ per week April 1853

                                                     17/ per week June 1853

Promoted to Fireman                  3/6 per day October 1853

                                                       4/- per day August 1857

Promoted to Driver                     5/- per day June 1858

                                                      6/- per day September 1858

                                                      7/- per day March 1860

                                                      7/6 per day March 1867

Superannuated December 1890

OFFENCES AS A DRIVER

August 1866 Fined 2d for not sending in daily return at right time.

June 1867 Fined 1 day's pay for allowing pump frame side block of engine to break.

April 1874 Cautioned for causing a collision by not having a proper understanding.

May 1880 Cautioned for running into collision with a truck when leaving Brighton Yard.

July 1880 Cautioned for damaging flowers for show in a road van by going back into the siding.

October 1881 Fined 2/6 for neglecting to report footboard of  messroom and class damage being broken at Three Bridges.

November 1881Fined 1/2 days pay for moving engine without proper signal to go into Bton Loco yard whereby it left the rails.

April 1882 Cautioned for not having sufficent extra pressure to release the Westinghouse Brake causing delay to train

December 1883 Fined for not having sufficent extra pressure to release the Westinghouse Brake causing delay to train

 

 

 

East Bridge, near Horsham on January 12th 1866

 

 Above is a list of all the engine men that where employed at Horsham Locomotive Department in 1877. It is not know if this is list was compiled in seniority order or not. However, the list does clearly indicates the  difference in the ages of both drivers & fireman at that period of time.

 


 

 THE PETWORTH FLYER

On the evening of the 21st October, 1879, 'Sharp Brothers Singles'  engine No. 79 was left standing in Petworth Loco Shed. At 3 a.m. on the following morning the fire was put in and some two hours later a cleaner asked the fireman to move the engine so he could gain access to clean the spokes hidden under the framing. Before any action could be taken No. 79 suddenly moved away on its own, and gathering speed and slowly disappearing out of the yard and along the line towards Horsham. During the journey of 17 ½ miles, it crashed through three sets of level crossing gates and was only stopped by a cleaner at Horsham Shed the after he observed debris on the front buffer beam and being able to mount the footplate after a chase on a rising gradient. For his presence of mind and sense of duty, the directors awarded him £3 and immediate promotion to fireman

 

 

 

 A drawing of the first locomotive running on the Horsham - Three Bridges branch line in 1848.

The engine was designed by Thomas Mann and carried a nameplate on the boiler which read 'Horsham  and London 1848'  

 

 BRAMLEY LOCOMOTIVE SHED

opened in 2 Oct 1865 - 1887

The  1887 London South Western Railway Motive Power Depot and its predecessor housed London, Brighton & South Coast Railway engines after nearby Bramley shed blew down in an 1887 gale. For example Terriers Nos 36 Bramley and 77 Wonersh, at first and class C 0-6-0 No. 420 from 1890s. All carried  Guildford shed code, but returned to Horsham at weekends, for maintenance. This carried on until the Grouping when it ceased of course.

INFORMATION FROM

ANTONY HERMAN

 

Locomotive Journal 1898

OPENING OF A NEW BRANCH AT

HORSHAM SUSSEX

Sir, -- On Sunday, April 24, some of our friends from Battersea, journeyed down here for the purpose of addressing a meeting of enginemen and firemen, and to open a branch of our Society. There was a attendance, considering this is only a small depot. With a few transfers we started a branch with 21 members, and before long we shall have more. Mr. Perkins, of Battersea, was voted to the chair, and the meeting was addressed by Messrs. G. Mannell, W. Cooper, and J. Bliss, who pointed out why enginemen and firemen should mind their own business and not ask others to do what they could do for themselves. You will hear more from us soon.

Yours fraternally, 

BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 

Locomotive Journal 1900

HORSHAM BRANCH

Sir, - I am pleased to report a further increase in our membership. At our quarterly meeting held on March 18th, we enrolled three new Protection members and transferred one from half to full benefits. we have two or three more in view. The time has arrived when men It is not because see the benefit of belonging to a society, and a case which occurred her last year taught some a lesson. It is not because we join a society and pay into it that we want the benefit of it, but one never knows when his turn may come to want assistance we. I should like to see the time when every man on the footplate joined hands with us. 

Yours fraternally, 

W. Buckham Sec.

 

 

Locomotive Journal 1900

HORSHAM BRANCH

Sir, - We held our annual meeting on Sunday, December 17th. There was not a very good attendance, as we had several members at work, and others being away. I am pleased to say we made five new members, three half benefit and two for protection. This makes a total of eight new members during this last two months.

Yours fraternally, 

W. Buckham Sec.

 

 

Locomotive Journal 1905

HORSHAM BRANCH

Sir, - As you have not had any correspondence from this branch for sometime, I thought a little news would let our fellow members that we are still alive. We are not making the progress that I should like to see, but I must say we had a fairly well attended meeting on the 12th ult? which would have been better had it been such a rough day. We had Mr. Warwick, our Executive Council representative, and Mr. J. Bliss down from Battersea. our worthy chairman, Mr. J. Payne, took the chair, and after the contributions had been paid and minutes of previous meetings read and carried, Mr. Payne gave us an excellent address, which was very interesting. After this our friend Mr. J. Bliss gave us an address, which I was more than pleased to hear. His first subject was on the benefit which we received as an incapacitation grant, and he asked those present if they could bring forward any assurance company that would pay out £100 for fourpence a week. He next dealt with the National Programme, and explained it fully to the meeting. It was not only interesting, but gave us a better understanding, on different points that we did not know. He then touched on the question of a grant for failure of eyesight, which has been advocated in our branch, and he said it would be impossible under the present rules as an incapacitation grant. He asked if they thought that they could make 20s. pay for 30s. Mr. cooper then addressed the meeting in reference to the business that was being done at General Office by the Executive Council. He dealt with several different subjects , referring particularly to the compensation that the Society had got for several of its members. He also touched on the question of eyesight, and said he should like to reduce the figures a bit in the incapacitation, so as to bring out a benefit for the failure of eyesight, as he thought it would induce a lot more to join our rank; and not only, it would keep some in that would drop out. Mr. Bliss and Mr. Cooper promised that they would arrange to pay us a visit in the summer, if they were able, so that we could have an open meeting, as we have several outsiders. A hearty vote of thanks was given to Bros. J. Bliss and W. Cooper, who returned thanks to the chairman and all members present, which brought a very pleasant afternoon to a close. If this catches the eye of any good speakers, our members would be pleased to hear them.

Yours fraternally, 

BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 

 Locomotive Journal 1905

HORSHAM BRANCH

An opening meeting of enginemen, firemen, and cleaners was held on Sunday, October 22nd,  at "The Beehive," East Street, which was well attended. In the unavoidable absence of Mr. McKew, who had  promised to occupy the chair, Mr. Payne was unanimously elected to fill the position. After thanking the audience for electing him, he gave a brief address, describing the benefits and advantages of being a member of the Society. He then called on Mr. Clarke, Executive Council member for North London, who gave us a brilliant address, quoting a great number of cases where the Society had done excellent work, notably the Challis case, and referred to two or three deplorable railway disasters, showing how necessary it was for men to work collectively. He also referred to the large engines and heavy loads, which meant less labour and greater strain on the men's minds. He informed us that the average death rate of locomotive engine drivers was 44, which was a very serious state of things. In Mr. Clarke the Society undoubtedly has an excellent worker. This address created a deep impression on all.  We have several promises of new members as the result of the meeting. Mr. Worcester, in a few very appropriate words, thanked Mr. Clarke and the chairman, which brought a very successful meeting to a close.

 BRANCH SECRETARY

 

Rodney Burstow Collection 

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

AUGUST 1911

page 377

CONCILIATION BOARD ELECTION

SIR- I beg to tender my heartiest thanks to those who recorded their votes on my behalf as candidate for the Conciliation Board on the Brighton Railway. Although defeated I liken myself to Will Crooks - "I am happy though defeated." I attribute my non-success to a variety of causes, viz:- Not half the locomotive-men recorded their votes, no doubt owing to their disapproval of the scheme; the inclusion of a multiplicity of men off the footplate who exercise their power of the franchise of the all-grade source, a deterrent effect to our likelihood of success; the resignation of our members on the last occasion; being stationed at a rural constituency, lessening the opportunites  of defining my policy for guidance of the electorate; and having written and spoken in condemnatory tones of the conciliation scheme it may have affected or jeopardised my position. No mandate was ever received from the men for the acceptance of the scheme, and my policy always has been to co-operate with the directorate for standardisation and classification of locomotive-men hitherto successful in the past.

Yours Fraternally,

J. Payne

 

 Train arriving at Horsham from Dorking in 1910

 

Locomotive Journal 1911

page 

HORSHAM BRANCH

HORSHAM.—Mission Hall, Barrington Rd., Horsham. 

Third Sunday in the month, 3 p.n.


The following resolution was carried at a Special Meeting held on December 8th:

"That this meeting of the above Branch greatly appreciate the work and arduous task of our worthy E.C. and General Secretary in obtaining the Eight Hour Day for locomotivemen and other grades, and we have the confidence that they will again acquit themselves when the opportunity arises with the standardization of wages."

Branch Chairman, 

Jesse H. Bone,

Branch Secretary,

W. H. Worcester

 

 Peter Martin Collection

 

 

Locomotive Journal

OCTOBER 1911

page 491

HORSHAM BRANCH

An open meeting for drivers, firemen and cleaners was held at the Mission Hall, Barrington Road, on Sunday, September 17th, at which Brother J. Payne, ex-chairman of our branch, was elected to preside. After a few well chosen remarks, he referred to the Conciliation Scheme and recent delegations. He then called on Mr. Warwick, our organizing secretary, who addressed the meeting for over an hour, to the greatest satisfaction of every one present. His subject was " The Conciliation Boards and the recent crisis." I was sorry we had not a larger attendance, but was pleased to see representatives from Brighton, Portsmouth, Littlehampton and Midhurst. After the usual vote of thanks to the chairman and Mr. Warwick, we brought a very pleasant meeting to a close.

BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 

 Locomotive Journal

page 72

February 1912

HORSHAM BRANCH

On December 17th, at our meeting we had a very good meeting considering the state of the weather, as it was unfortunately, a miserably wet day. After contribution had been called, we proceeded with the election of officers for the ensuing year. After the chairman and vice-chairman were elected. I found to my surprise the members seemed to rally round in a somewhat better spirit than usual, and it was proved to me that they had been working in my absence. Unfortunately I had been on the sick list and had not been in a position to attend the two previous meetings. In the meantime I had sent in my resignation as branch secretary, and from that I soon found the feeling of the members of our branch, because by sending in my resignation I found the members had appreciated my past services. I was surprised when our worthy chairman Brother J. Worcester, called on Brother J. Payne to preside, which no doubt had been previously arranged, and after a well chosen speech from the president. I was more surprised when there was brought forward a beautiful timepiece, which Brother J. Payne presented to me, with my name, with the name of our branch, the initials of our Society and date of presentation inscribed on it; also a lady's handbag for my wife. I can assure all brother members I was utterly astonished. I was so taken by surprise that I seemed almost at a loss to find words to express myself to the member for their kindness. but I am pleased to that I know now the members have appreciated and recognized my past services as branch secretary.

One of my the reasons for the insertion of this in the Journal is that I wish to thank the members again for the assistance they have given me in the past. Another reason is to let the members of other branches know what has been done for me by our branch members. We know at times there is a certain amount of difficulty in getting branch secretaries, and the circulating of these reports up and down the country may at times do a lot in the way encouragement. I do not say I have held the secretaryship as long as some, but I held it since the branch was first opened, nearly 14 years ago. I have received many letters of regret, and I wish to assure all brother members that I shall take as much interest in the branch and Society business in the future as I have in the past. In closing I wish to again express my satisfaction and appreciation for the handsome present,  which will be a pleasant reminder to the end of my days of happy times I have had in the branch club-room

EX-BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 

 

Locomotive Journal

page 222

May 1912

HORSHAM BRANCH

SIR,— The above branch held its monthly meeting on March 10th. We had a record attendance, at least that's what some of our oldest members said, and a very good reason why: we had Mr. Warwick, our organizing secretary with us. So we had arranged for an open meeting at 3-30. We got through what branch business we could, and then opened the door to the A.S.R.S. and non members who were waiting to come in.

Brother J. Worcester, who presided, introduced Mr. Warwick, and stated that he had come to explain the Conciliation  Agreement to us, and after a few more suitable remarks he called upon Mr. Warwick to address us, which he did in his usual interesting manner. He also explained to us the position our Sectional Board was in, as regards the deadlock, and the necessity for a re-election of the board. He explained to a certain extent the effects the National Insurance Bill would have upon us as A.S.L.E. & F. members, after which some very interesting questions were asked, and satisfactorily answered. The usual vote of thanks was given, bringing a very enjoyable meeting to a close. I am not able to report any new members at present, but we have hopes of shortly claiming a few of the young fellows as members. The older ones appear to me to be casehardened against trade unionism, and are content to let anyone else fight the battle for their emancipation.

SECRETARY

 

 

 

 

 Above L.B.S.C.R Locomotive workings for October 1912

 

 

 

 Locomotive Journal February 1913

HORSHAM BRANCH

page 73

It is some long while since anything appeared in the Journal under this heading. Nevertheless we have been doing our little bit towards increasing our membership and extending our society. On Sunday December 1st, several of our members journeyed to Three Bridges, and with the help of one or two members who are stationed there, and Brother Harrison, of Battersea, a meeting was held for the purpose of hearing the report of the meeting of the board of directors and the representatives of the locomotive-men of the Brighton Railway. Brother W. H. Worcester was voted in the chair, and he asked Brother Harrison to give his report,which he did in a very intelligible manner. the chairman was then called upon to say a few words, but there was not very much left for him to say as Brother Harrison had given us a very full report. Questions were then invited. Though the attendance was not so large as one might have expected, considering the purpose of the meeting, it was very attentive and appreciated what was said. I might say that some of our A.S.R.S. friends were  present one of whom asked several questions (to clear the atmosphere a little) which were answered to his satisfaction. several other questions were asked and answered; and Brother Meadhurst, in a few well-chosen words, thanked us for coming. The usual votes of thanks being given, the meeting was brought to a close.

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A meeting was held the same afternoon, this being called by an A.S.R.S. member. who appears to have a good deal of influence on the men. This was very well attended, and Brothers Harrison and Worcester made it their business to be present. They also gave a report, and succeeded in getting the following resolution, which was moved by J. Neeve and seconded by W. Packham, both A.R.S.R. member, carried unanimously:-

"That the Three bridges locomotive-men accept the concessions granted by the board of directors"

I think this is a very good work, considering (as I understand) that this meeting was held in opposition to ours in the morning.

B.S.

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At the ordinary meeting of the above branch, held on December 15th and before a fair attendance, a presentation was made to Brothers J. Worcester and J. Payne of an umbrella and a pipe. Brother P. Manvell, in making the presentation, said that all members in the western district were aware that our two brothers had taken a prominent part in connection with the branch in obtaining concessions and better conditions of service. He went on to say that the business their two delegates had carried on requested grit, courage, and self sacrifice, and that it reflected great credit on them for what they had assisted to accomplish for their comrades, and he was pleased the members had realized to the fullest extent what they had done. He said he had great pleasure, on behalf of the members, of showing that their valuable work was not forgotten and he hoped they would accept these presents, not so much for their intrinsic worth, as that they were a token of the appreciation of all the locomotive-men in the Horsham district. The umbrella, he hoped, would not only serve to shelter them in rough weather, but also from the storms they may have to encounter while doing their duty for their fellow men. A notable feature of the presentation was that the A.S.R.S. members also contributed, a proof of the amity existing in recognition of the good work. Brother J. Worcester said, in recording his thanks, that he was pleased he had given them satisfaction with no thought of anything of that kind; he had only tried to do his best, and was glad it met with their approbation. Brother J. Payne, in replying, said it was one of the greatest surprises in his life. What he had done was a labour of love; which was only what a man should do if possessed the ability and qualifications. He recognized the importance and the responsibility resting on locomotive-men, and considered in the interest of the Society, its members, and the companies, it was essential to hold counsel together, because it was the only means which tended to successful working. He thanked them all most kindly for the gift. Brother W. Buckham, our late secretary, was heartily thanked for the work he had done in connection with the presentation; always a characteristic feature with him in doing a kindness to all.

BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 

 Locomotive Journal 1917

HORSHAM BRANCH

Lance - Corporal A. E. Francis, of this Branch, is in Hospital, and badly wounded. He was attached to the 1/4th  R. Sussex Regt., and was serving in Palestine. He was in camp when the war broke out, and he has been serving ever since. he went through the Dardanelles Campiagn, and was then transferred to Egypt and Palestine. The first intimation his parents recieved from the War office was of his death, but this proved to be an error, and later an offical notification was received regretting that an error had been made, and that Francis was wounded.

BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 

 Locomotive Journal 1917

HORSHAM BRANCH

Some time as elapsed since a report from this branch appeared in the Journal, that progress is satisfactory. the first meeting in our new Branch room at the Queen's Head Hotel, was held at 6 p.m. on Sunday, October 29th, was proved to be a success as regards ambiance and the amount of business we got through, and a great improvement on the old Branch Room. We had the pleasure of having Bro. J. Enves, Secretary of the Brighton Branch and Corresponding Secretary of the Delegation Board, with us, whose presence was greatly appreciated. Five new members were admitted, this making a total of 15 new members in the last three meetings, which leaves very little room for propaganda work, owing to the non-members being almost non-existent, there being now almost 90 per cent, enrolled in their own Society, the A.S.L.E. & F. W e had before us applications for benefits under  rule 23, clause 4, from two of our members who have been reduced through accident, which have now been successfully dealt with, showing the need for all workers to safeguard their own interests. I am pleased to say that some of our young members were present, and brought forward an item concerning themselves which is now receiving attention, and I trust that all will continue to attend to look after their own interests, as it lays in their power to it. A hearty vote of thanks to Bro. J. Enves (who had to leave before the close of the meeting, owing to train service) was unanimously carried. Other business was then gone through, until the call of time, which necessitated us passing a hearty thanks to our enthusiastic Chairman for presiding at a very successful meeting.

BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 

Locomotive Journal 1919

HORSHAM BRANCH


An open meeting for drivers, firemen and cleaners was held at the Mission Hall Barrington Road, on Sunday, September 17th, at which Brother J. Payne, ex-chairman of our branch was elected to preside. After a few well chosen remarks, he referred to the Conciliation Scheme and recent delegations. He then called on Mr. Warwick our organizing secretary, who addressed the meeting for over an hour, to the greatest satisfaction to every one present. His subject was "The Conciliation Boards and the recent crisis." I was sorry we had not a larger attendance, but was pleased to see our representatives from Brighton, Portsmouth, Littlehampton and Midhurst. After the usual vote of thanksto the chairman and Mr. Warwick, we brought a very pleasant meeting to a close.

BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 

Locomotive Journal 1919

HORSHAM BRANCH


I much regret to report the death in France, on November 23rd, of Bro. A. Mitchell, a Cleaner Member of this Branch. Bro. Mitchell joined  the Army in August, 1914, and after having gone successfully through the whole fighting was taken ill with bronchial-pneumonia, and died in hospital.

I also have to report the death of Bro. J. Francis who was killed in action on October 11th. He joined the Army in May, 1917, at the age of 19 years, having been released for the purpose. He leaves a widowed mother to mourn his loss, who wishes to thank all members for the kind sympathy shown, and for the prompt payment of the Death Benefit from General Office

BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 

 Locomotive Journal 1919

HORSHAM BRANCH


Sunday, 4th May, was a red letter day in the annals of the above Branch, when Bro. Ivor Gregory addressed an Open Meeting of railwaymen and their wives in the afternoon, and presented Bro. G. Merritt, the Incapacitation Grant Benefit of £100, and £76 5s., the result of a draw. The Assurance fund Benefit of £38 having been handed over previously. Bro. G. Merritt had unfortunately lost his right foot, owing to accident at Brighton, on September 18th. Bro. G. Merritt made an eloquent speech, which was greatly appreciated. A vote of thanks was moved by Mr. G. Shears, A.S.L.E.F., seconded by Mr. A. Streeter, N.U.R., to Mr. Gregory for his splendid address; and to Mr. J. Cordery, of Battersea, for taking the chair.

An Opening Meeting of Locomotivemen in the evening was addressed by Mr. Gregory. a brief account of the progress of this Branch for the first four months is as follows:- 

"New members, 3;transferred from N.U.R., 3 (one with over 24 year's membership in the N.U.R.) transferred to Full Benefit, 6; Assurance Fund members, 9; Death and Retiring Fund,12; Orphan Fund, 1; increase for sale of Journals,10. The number of N.U.R. at this depot are three, one aged 67 (still driving), one over 59 and one Fireman; whilst there are no "Nons." 

May every Branch in England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales, soon be able to possess a better record than this, and then we shall get our rights which we have so long waited for.

BRANCH SECRETARY

 

 QUEENIE KNIGHT COLLECTION

Inside Horsham Loco Shed in the early 1920’s.

 William Knight (Queenie Knight  was her father-in-law), is thought to be leaning against the buffer.

William Knight’s son was Gordon Knight, who was a driver at Littlehampton depot and William’s Great grandson Ashley Squires is currently a driver at Barnham depot.


Bill Knight was my uncle, my mothers brother, and he was at the “Bridges” when I started in 1945, Gordon 

was his son and he also had a son (Fred) in Three Bridges signal box, Bill was the eldest in the family.

Rodney Burstow

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL 

MARCH 1924

HORSHAM BRANCH


Some time has elapsed since a report from this Branch appeared in our Journal, and as we have had the pleasure of the company of our Organising Secretary Mr. Barton Wild, I thought it a good opportunity to let other Branches know that the Horsham Branch is still alive and progressing. I think you will agree that we are very fortunate in having booked Mr. Wild for February 3rd , as at that time we did not know that we should have been out on strike and back to work by that date. It was real sense of enthusiasm and eagerness displayed by our members to strike a blow against the unjust attack made upon the conditions of service we were then enjoying, and when the call come from Head office every man came out, with the exception of five old sweats, who could not do us much harm, having no Firemen with them. A good number of our members turned up on February 3rd to hear Mr. Wild clear the air a little with regard to the settlement of the strike, and I consider he made a very good job of it, and answered all the questions to the best of his ability. The time for his departure came all too quickly, as he had to catch a train, so he left with thanks and good wishes of all present, and was asked to come again and bring J.H. Thomas with him. This he declined to do, as he did not want to be responsible for the welfare of J.H.T.

SPERO MELIORA

 

Horsham Loco Dept 1920 

This photo features all the Horsham Shed staff  as well as Horsham Loco crews.

The Shed Master is seen in middle of the front row wearing a bowler hat.

With reference to the above branch report in the 1919 Locomotive Journal, it would appear that all the footplatemen seen in this photo were members of A.S.L.E.F. with the exception of three N.U.R. members.

 

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL 

MARCH 1924

HORSHAM BRANCH


Some time has elapsed since a report from this Branch appeared in our Journal, and as we have had the pleasure of the company of our Organising Secretary Mr. Barton Wild, I thought it a good opportunity to let other Branches know that the Horsham Branch is still alive and progressing. I think you will agree that we are very fortunate in having booked Mr. Wild for February 3rd , as at that time we did not know that we should have been out on strike and back to work by that date. It was real sense of enthusiasm and eagerness displayed by our members to strike a blow against the unjust attack made upon the conditions of service we were then enjoying, and when the call come from Head office every man came out, with the exception of five old sweats, who could not do us much harm, having no Firemen with them. A good number of our members turned up on February 3rd to hear Mr. Wild clear the air a little with regard to the settlement of the strike, and I consider he made a very good job of it, and answered all the questions to the best of his ability. The time for his departure came all too quickly, as he had to catch a train, so he left with thanks and good wishes of all present, and was asked to come again and bring J.H. Thomas with him. This he declined to do, as he did not want to be responsible for the welfare of J.H.T.

SPERO MELIORA

 

Redundant Slade’s Green Enginemen arriving at Horsham 1926

 Charlie Cook

Charlie. Born 5th November 1902 and started on the footplate on the 25th October, 1918, and moved to Horsham after the 1926 General Strike (May) when the juice arrived from Dartford to Charing Cross and Cannon Street. He moved with one driver, Chris Baker, who was an LDC man and 2 firemen. Jim Counter (09.01.1919) and Frank Barham (17.06.1918). Horsham was not his choice, as he lived in Kent but all the local vacancies had been taken bu senior men. The shedmaster asked him where he was going, to which Charlie replied I don't know. The Shedmaster said there a place here called Horsham, they need 2 firemen but I expect they can do with 3 and that was that! As the Slades Green men were senior to some of the Horsham firemen when they arrived, it meant that somebody had to go back cleaning. Walter ‘Dickie’ Doel ended up being put back.


The other three Slade’s Green Enginemen that transferred to Horsham in 1926 

Driver Chris Baker seniority date 13.08.1906. Chris was a fireman and driver at Slade’s Green, and the only driver to go to Horsham when it closed to steam in 1926. He was on the L.D.C. at Slade’s Green and Charlie Cooke and the other firemen were glad of his assistance when they all arrived at Horsham. ( SECR Book 1730).

Fireman Frank Barham seniority date 17.06.1918. Frank was a fireman at Slade’s Green and moved at the same time as Charlie to Horsham. Frank was known as ‘Captain Barham’, because he was a Captain in the Home Guard during WWII. He later ran the Firing School for all new cleaners progressing to fireman.

Fireman A. J. Counter seniority date 09.01.1919. Jim was a fireman at Slades Green, Jim moved to Horsham the same time as Charlie. He later ended up as a Motorman at Orpington. (SECR Book 2583)

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL 

OCTOBER 1926

HORSHAM BRANCH


Some considerable time has elapsed since this branch its activities published in the Journal. We are still 99 per cent. A.S.L.E. & F. During the past few months we have had our little troubles, but we are still smiling. The strike saw us all out, but, unfortunately, one got tired and went back to work, in spite of our efforts to keep him out. It seemed a great pity to see old retired drivers returning to work, yielding to temptations of the company. I hope, ere long, that the old men will have something respectable to retire on, and thus avoid having to work somewhere else after 40 to 50 years’ service. I am pleased to report that the attendance at the branch meetings since the strike has increased 25 per cent., but there is still room for a few more of those who grumble in the lobby. I would say to those few: come around to the Bedford every third Sunday of the month, and you will get some satisfaction, especially with the seniority question. We are all looking forward to a date to be stated, after October, for the long-awaited visit of our General Secretary.

August 15th saw an interesting event in the presentation of an eight-day striking clock, suitably inscribed, to H. Slaughter, who has retired after 44 years’ railway service, and has been a member of this branch for over 29 years. Our chairman made the presentation, and briefly referred to the recipient’s work in the past.

I may say, in conclusion, that we at Horsham have a good friend to working people, and especially has she proved herself so during the strike, Drivers having given the firemen practically their day’s pay when being booked off under suspension of the guaranteed week, no, or little, out of work. 

A. FRANCIS

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL 

OCTOBER 1927

HORSHAM BRANCH


Pleased to say we still keep the flag flying. The important news since the last insertion is a visit by Mr. Long E.C., and the Improvement Class outing, which took place to the Ashford erecting shops, which were visited by kind permission of the Southern Railway. Leaving Horsham just before 8 o’clock, Ashford reached at 11-15a.m., where we met a small party from Newhaven, with our very able instructor, Mr. H. Cornwall, of Brighton. The Southern Railway Debating Society welcomed the party, and, much to our regret, Mr. Bumstead was unable to come, owing to indisposition. We first went over the very fine sports ground, after which we split up into parties, each under a guide supplied by the company, and went into the Locomotive Erecting Shops, where we saw engines in course of construction, including the “River” class,  also engines for repair. We then looked over the carriage and wagon shops. Tea was served at the Ashford Working Men’s Club, supplied by the local co-op., after which Mr. Bone proposed and Mr. Cornwall seconded a hearty vote of thanks to the guides for the instructive way they had explained things to us. Mr. Wright suitably replied, and said they were only too pleased to do it. We then had a look over the club, and afterwards returned home which was reached at 10-30p.m., after a lovely day thanks to our energetic secretary, Mr. E. Charman. If any locomen living near Horsham would like to this class, our secretary will give any information.

A. FRANCIS

 

Left ~ Right: Driver Harry Hodge & his Fireman Jack Francis

Seen in Amberly down yard in c1934

 Harry Hodge, seniority date19.01.1914 (Battersea & Horsham). Harry was known as ‘Hodge of Horsham’. He was a contrary individual and caused a number of problems with his manner and attitude. Charlie Cooke fired to Harry for a couple of years and things had become intolerable between them, the final straw being early one morning during the war, Charlie had arrived early and started to prepare the engine, a   D 3 Bogie Tank. They had to prepare the engines inside the shed with the doors closed, because of the blackout. Charlie, just before starting time, got down and opened the shed doors in preparation for their departure. Harry, who had been in the shed, came along, closed the doors and then drove the engine through them. He then accused Charlie of not opening them! Harry realised he had gone too far and went to the Foreman and asked for another mate. Meanwhile Charlie just got off the engine and went home, otherwise he would have probably injured Hodge he was that mad. The next day, they were both called in before the Governor, Mr Howie, who also had issues with Hodge (Hodge had reported him for going home early) and it was then that Charlie asked to be put along with another driver. Charlie went with Jack Wilkins and Charlie and Harry never spoke to one another again. 


Jack Francis seniority date 11.02.1918  (Horsham). Jack, known as ‘Mad Jack’ was a fireman at Horsham, and Branch Secretary. He left the railway before passing for driving.

Information by Brian Cooke (Charlie Cook’s Grandson)

BRIAN COOK COLLECTION

The Horsham Railwaymen’s Christmas party in the Albion Road hall circa 1933. 
George Cook is 10th from right sitting sideways on the floor at the front. 
George was to follow in his father’s footsteps (driver Charlie Cook) and entered the footplate grades  

 

LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

MARCH 1935

HORSHAM BRANCH


Recently a party was given to the children of the Associated and N.U.R. members. Tea began at 4 o'clock, followed by community singing while the tables were cleared for games. Afterwards came a concert to which the parent were invited and, finally, Organiser Wilson's report re Bro. Appleton, was undoubtley a favourable one, still he has been put labouring at Wigan, and the N.U.R. member sent home until sent for. The important points the unions should take up with the company are:

(1) Modification of the colour-vision test;

(2) Modification or elimination of eye-sight test for cleaners on appointment to Firemen, many cleaners to-day are 35 years old and over;

(3) Suitable work to be found for eye-sight failures.

In conculision, I must mention the very sucessful re-union of our retired work-mates on January 5th. A very happy evening was spent with 22 of our veterans and their wives.

F. BANNER,

SECRETARY

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

AUGUST 1935

WOMEN SOCIETY

HORSHAM BRANCH

 

This branch was formed in February, and it is encouraging to know we are steadily increasing our membership. On March 28th we held a very successful social and dance which raised £2. 6s. for branch funds. As this was our first venture, its success makes us look forward to next Autumn and Winter, when we hope to hold further similar functions.By that time we hope to be a very active branch

S.G.

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL 

MARCH 1939

WOMEN SOCIETY

HORSHAM BRANCH

Horsham branch held their fourth birthday Tea and Social on February 9, which was attended by Mrs. Shepherd, our E.C. member, delegates and visitors from several branches of our organisatation, also from the local branches of the N.U.R. Women's Guild, Co-op. Guild and Labour Party. The men's branch was reprented by their chairman, and several from their branch helped with the Social. Thanks are due to the committee for the excellent programme; also to our member who made the birthday cake - appropriately decorated with a model engine.

 

 BOMB DAMAGE AT WORTHING ROAD

OCTOBER 1940

(HORSHAM - CHRIST'S HOSPITAL)

 

 

 

It is understood that Horsham loco crew on this train were Driver Jack Budd and Fireman Ron ‘Razor’ Reeves. The train was under attacked by a German fighter at West Grinstead, and Razor had jumped off the footplate into a ditch which ran alongside the track, which saved his life. The line was bombed and the train went down a bomb crater, and the driver was Jack Budd who was killed. In later years Razor Reeves never talked about this incident. 

 

 

 Brian Cook Collection

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL 

JANUARY 1942

HORSHAM BRANCH

 

It is, I think, some time since an article appeared in the Locomotive Journal from this branch; nevertheless, we are very much alive-good attendance at the branch meetings, and still improving; one "non," one of the younger fraternity who sees no further than his nose. The L.D.C. are busy, being kept constantly at work. We have had the usual "shemozzle" with regard to the question of "firewatching," things not being worked fairly as they could be, the trouble apparently being the company's usual practice of putting square pegs in round holes. We have taken the matter up with divisional superintendent, and we hope that by the time this appears in print thats matters will be going more smoothly and the "chosen self exempted few" will find they will have quite a few turns of firewatching to do to catch up with the rest.

A little advice to our members re the 12 hours' rest clause. All men are entittled to 12 hours' rest, and if  they have made overtime, they sign on again after having had 12 hours' rest. And if they have been informed that the rest period of the 12 hours' rest starts from when their eight hours was up, then they have been "bamboozled." Never

mind what turn you work or the number of hours that you do, see that you do not come in to work unless you have had the 12 hours' rest. This agreement is the finest one that you have, and make use of it.Wishing you all a Happy New Year, an d may the next one be a more prosperous one, and that we shall see the abolition of Facism and Nazism throughout the whole world.

 

R.T. TAYLOR.

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL 

MARCH 1942

HORSHAM BRANCH

Once upon a time, there were three bears - you've heard that one? Then there is the one about the firewatching meeting to be held at Horsham, promised by the Company, but who now state that it is not necessary, and when the firewatching agreements are 100 per cent. satisfactory, the choosen few that have self-exempted themselves will take part in the firewatching. "What's that, Brother?" you ask. "How can it be 100 per cent. satisfactory until they are doing their share?" Sh-sh-sh. You are not supposed to be intelligent enough to think of that. Wonder what they were affraid of that they could not keep faith with the men. It is all a matter of co-operation.

We have a notice posted, asking us to save as much oil and fuel as possible, another to contribute to the "Southern Fulmar." We have a notice-case made, ask for permission to place same in lobby, application definitely turned down. Wonderful stuff this co-operation, merely a matter of give and take. Yes, Brother, I heard you.

 Our Russian comrades are still busy carving up the pork, and saving our skins; and just think, Brother, generals aged 30. There must be something in this co-operation business after all; perhaps they work it on both sides over there.

REG. T. TAYLOR 

 

 Left ~ Right; Driver Charles Scrase (22.10.1917) & Fireman Fred Manville (22.04.1940)

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

DECEMBER 1942

HORSHAM BRANCH

The October meeting was an event for us at Horsham, as we had the pleasure of the company of the General Secretary, Mr. W.P. Allen, who addressed the meeting and dealt very fully with all the latest developements, and answered questions to the satisfaction of all concerned. This was the first time that our General had been to Horsham, and he can be assured of a very warm welcome at any time in the future.

We were pleased to members from Chichester, Redhill and Three Bridges.

Attendance continues to be good in the branch room. No election necessary for the next L.D.C., and wonders will never cease - a vote of appreciation recorded to the L.D.C. for the splendid work performed by them.

I will take this oppirtunity of wishing everyone a Hapy Christmas and a prosperous New Year, when, let us hope, we shall see the commencement of the "winning of the case."

REG. T. TAYLOR

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

FEBRUARY 1943

HORSHAM BRANCH


It is with regret that we have to report the loss of two of our members through enemy action - Bro. George Budd and Bro. George Ansbridge - both of whom were machine gunned whilst on duty. Our comrades were carried to their last resting-place by their fellow-workmates.

Clothing coupons continue to be a sore point; the railway company apparently require 22 coupons for the 1942-3 issue.

It is rumoured that since the award of the farthing per hour increase, several Savings Groups have suddenly sprung up, possibly with a view to avoiding payment of Income Tax on same.

Branch meetings continue to be well attended, but there are still several vacant chairs, so roll up, you chaps, for the February meeting, when it is hoped that we shall have a visitor in person of our new Organising Secretary, Bro. W. Cleaver, who, I am sure, will keep you very interested for an hour. Any Question? Roll up and ask him.

Reg T. Taylor

* George Ansbridge seniority date 20.11.1914

W. Fairey seniority date 18.11.1918. Bill was a fireman and driver at Horsham and ended up as Leading Motorman at Addiscombe. Bill was the fireman on the Guildford to Horsham train that was shot up by a German aircraft on 16th December 1942 at Bramley and where the driver, J. Budd was sadly killed.

Information from Brian Cooke  


  LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

SEPTEMBER 1943

HORSHAM BRANCH


Still alive and kicking, members taking keen interest in current events, including the Home Guard, dissatisfaction expressed, nine members fined for being absent from parades, one lad of  19 joined the Home Guard at the age of 15, patrolled the South Downs nightly on the look-out for enemy parachutists, has tried to join the Merchant Navy since the age of 17, unable to obtain his release from the railway company to so. Summoned for not attending Home Guard parades, and, owing to the action of the persons responsible in the Home Guard, these people had the satisfaction of seeing this lad (yes, chum, one of their own workmates) sent to prison to do a month’s hard labour. It was then learned that it was the intention of the railway company to dismiss this lad, special meeting called, deputation sent to the locomotive superintendent. Lad has now been released from prison and has appealed, and is now waiting to hear when he has to attend for his appeal. Lad’s defence was that it was impossible to attend parades and have sufficient rest to be fit state for his work. Pleaded not guilty to eight charges, guilty to one. Major of Home Guard told him to plead guilty to all charges, and he would speak for him in court. Major not even in court. No, chum, not intimidation; you are quite wrong; just friendly advice. The chairman of the bench, in sentencing this allege criminal stated that this type of man should be released for the Army. Home Guard at Horsham have attempted to violate. L.D.C. agreement, which was promptly scotched.

REGD. T. TAYLOR

 

*R. T. Taylor seniority date 08.03.1916. (Battersea / Horsham).  Reg was a Battersea / Stewarts Lane man before moving to Horsham, and was a real character. He was M.I.C. Chairman at Stewarts Lane, and Branch Secretary for a number of years at Horsham. He  ended up deputising for the Governor, Mr Howie. Reg was dismissed from the railway over allegations of theft from Agates Timber Yard, which was next to Horsham loco. Charlie Cooke was Reg’s regular mate for a couple of years, and when the Q1 Class were being introduced during the war, Reg was the driver nominated to undertake trials with them. By this time Charlie was a Passed Fireman, and Reg asked specifically for Charlie to be booked with him on the trials, which he did. Charlie enjoyed working with Reg, even though the trails were very hard work.

Information from Brian Cooke (Charlie Cooke’s Grandson)

Bill Edwards was at Horsham, he took me to the depot on V.E. evening, he was a fireman then, I remember the turntable rail was covered with detonators, (fogs) and an engine was turned on it, after that visit I was more determined to become an engine driver, and from 1945, I was one of several others that cleaned and polished them under the watchful eye of the running foreman, Ernie Clack, father of Harry Clack, and the rest is history! 

During the 1955 strike we only had two come into work, one of them was my driver, on the Saturday night I asked him if he was coming in, he said yes, I said goodbye Alf, and that was the last time I spoke to him except on duty, and that was not social vocabulary! The other was an NUR man, he didn't last long after!

By Rodney Burstow

 

Driver Harold Blackpool, and Guard Len Shoebridge and Fireman Dave Penfold at Midhurst on a Class E4X 32576 
( Picture copyright John Scrace)

Harold Blackpool seniority date 23.02.1914 – Harold was the elder of two brothers, both at Horsham.


Brian Cook Collection 

A lost time ticket awarded to Driver Charlie Cook whilst working a goods train from

 Hove Yard to  Battersea Yard

 

Photo taken by H.F. Weeller from the book Sussex Branch Lines 

Driver Walter John Rowell at Elstead station on the LSWR Petersfield to Midhurst line on the 18th June 1951.

Below information was sent to me from John Rowell 

Walter was at Horsham loco depot from the middle 1940’s to around 1955 or so we think and this is the only picture we can find of him on the railway, although we have been searching for years. 

Father used to hold re-union meetings at our house before he died when some of his railway friends which included, Don Payne, Rodney Burstow, Jack Pitt & Bill Edwards are just a few names that used to come and they would reminisce.

Also, when dad was a fireman, Fred Goldsmith was the driver that trained my father

Dad used to say that he was filmed once for the B.B.C. television test transmission film and also for the series “Railway Roundabout” , and although we have the D.V.D. box set of the series, so far we cannot find any clips of him. Could any one help John to find this clip

 

RODNEY BURSTOW COLLECTION

Ted Phillps in Horsham Loco

 Brian Cook Collection 

Driver Charlie Cook's payslips from the mid 1950s

 

 PETER MARTIN COLLECTION

PHIL WIMPORY COLLECTION

Left - Right Driver Bill Percival & Fireman Brian Luff 

W. Percival seniority date 18.01.1915. Bill was originally an Ashford man and moved to Horsham around 1926. He had two sons, Gordon who started in the 40’s and at one time fired to Charlie and was a driver at Horsham until he retired in the 90’s and Ted, who started at Horsham and became a Motorman at Tottenham Corner until he retired.

Information by Brian Cooke

 

Fireman George Wrighton taking water at Midhurst in December 1960.

 STORIES FROM THE SHOVEL

Memories of the Mid - Sussex line

By Rodney Burstow.


When working up the mid Sussex with a K class Mogul, with 60 wagons on loose coupled, you sure had to know the road them days!!

I once fired to Driver Ted Symons (his used a catch phrase - there and that there) on a "Q", Fratton to Horsham household coal, the shovel never left my hands except to put the injector on until we passed Chichester, couldn't put a lot more on, the bloody tender was empty!! when we run into Horsham Ted said go on boy get yourself a pint, and when we got in the Loco to dispose the engine He told the Foreman to get the P&D to do it.


 E. Symons seniority date 18.03.1918. Ted was a driver at Horsham, and came from the West Country to Horsham, previous depots unknown

Information by Brian Cooke

RODNEY BARSTOW COLLECTION
Driver Rodney Burstow & Fireman Barry Atkinson 
having a Physical Needs Break in a pub at Amberly whilst on a ballast turn 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

JUNE 1957

HORSHAM BRANCH

PAGE 215

 

Many moons have passed since a report from this branch has appeared in the Locomotive Journal. This does not mean that we have been in active. After our 17 days' fight in 1955 we formed a Retiral and Presentation fund, this after a lapse of many years. Our first function was on Good Friday, when 70 members said farewell to two of our members, Bros. J. Wilkins and F. Little, who had both completed over 48 years' service.

During the evening's entertainment Mr. Mitchell, our Shed Master, presented Bro. Wilkins a standard lamp and Bro. Little with a strike clock. Keep up the good work lads, and don't forget 'Sam' is next to retire, later this year. But before that we shall have our monthly branch meetings, which I hope you will all attend.

W. Hutchings

Branch Secretary

RODNEY BURSTOW COLLECTION

REG WOOLVEN 

Reg Woollen seniority date 02.04.1917  

Reg was a "Dual Link” man so he also covered juice work as well as steam. 

 Driver Arthur “Sam” Weller 

The last London Brighton & South Coast Railway 

Enginemen to retire at  

Horsham Loco Dept.

SAM WELLER COLLECTION

Driver Sam Weller

Note that Sam is wearing his beloved cycle clips.

 

SAM WELLER COLLECTION

Sam Weller (centre) receiving his retirement presentation.


Right Sam ’s retirement certificate

“Sam Weller was one of the last London,

 Brighton & South Coast Railway (24th July 

1911) Drivers. He was known as “Nose and 

Toes,” a great engine man and quite a character.

 He always wore his bicycle clips, which he was 

presented with a pair, his grandson tells me he

 was proud of them! 

Rodney Burstow

 

 Horsham Loco Shed

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

SEPTEMBER 1960

HORSHAM

PAGE 288

Attendance at our recent meetings have been poor considering the messroom moaning.

Your L.D.C. have a lot on their plate these past few months, including such problems as booking of appointed men on loan to other depots, booking of Passed Firemen after performing higher grade work and now it appears we have a new problem; facilities for taking food, for men on train running turns. (Are we like an alarm clock, just wind us up we keep going?) To help your branch officers and L.D.C. solve these problems, and others, attend the branch room and voice your opinion. It’s a lot better done here that in the messroom.

W. Hutchings.

Branch Secretary.

 

 Driver Bill Edwards (?) on Horsham Loco Shed 8th May 1960

Bonner Law's crane on the right

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

FEBRUARY 1961

HORSHAM

PAGE 58

 

This branch would like to thank branches who helped us to attain the wonderful figure of £231. 9s 6d for Bro. F. Bristow and his children, it just goes to prove what can be done by fellow-workers of the A.S.L.E.&F.

So if you are a non, join A.S.LE.&F. NOW, you may be the next one need help. Bro. Bristow has written follows:

“Thank you all for your most wonderful and overwhelming kindness and generosity to my children and myself. It was only the knowledge of having so many kind friends around during those few days immediately after my dear wife’s death that stopped me from going to piece completely and now you have all helped again by giving me the courage and strength to face the future again. I shall always remember your kindness to my family and myself with humbleness and pride. Thank you all from the very bottom of my heart.”

W. Hutchings

Branch Secretary

 

 Dave Mansfield Leaving Platform 4 Horsham 

 

Dave Mansfield seniority date 14.02.1949

 

Dave Mansfield

 

 LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL

FEBRUARY 1962

HORSHAM

PAGE 42

 

Branch meetings have not been well attended recently, but we hope for an improvement in 1962, as we are experimenting by holding the meetings in June, July and August at 6 p.m. in the usual place.

Our appeal on the behalf of Bro. E. Garman has resulted in £73 being passed on to him. Bro. Garman writes: “I would like to thank you all for the amount collected for me, which will come in more than useful. It was a big surprise for me, just at Christmas. Many thanks and the best wishes to you all.”

W. Hucthings,

Branch Secretary

 

 TONY SQUIRES COLLECTION

TONY SQUIRES ON A CLASS P4

PHIL WIMPORY COLLECTION

PHIL WIMPORY

 

BIFF MANVELL COLLECTION

Bill Jones at Guildford 1962

Driver Bill Jones, my old driver, he only ever had cheese sandwiches for his grub, and if he had oiled up, the cheese would be black, ran over a cow once at Beeding with a pull and push fitted M7, large air reservoir under buffer beam, old lady came up to us at Brighton enquired why we had stopped en route, she didn’t seem to believe Bill until he told her to look at the front of the engine, it was a foul job oiling the big ends for weeks, and it was our regular engine, "48", incidentally I was doing the driving that day!

Rodney Burstow


 William Jones seniority date 19.11.1918. Bill was a driver at Horsham. Bill and Charlie Cooke went down to Brighton to pass for driving on the same day. 

Information from Brian Cooke (Charlie Cooke’s Grandson)

 

DICKEY DOEL

 Walter Doel, seniority date 07.06.1920 – Eastleigh /Horsham. Walter, was known as Dick and later Engineer ( this was because he stated that drivers were locomotive engineers according to A.S.L.E.&F.). He was a fireman at Horsham and when the Slades Green contingent arrived in 1926, was put back cleaning for a couple of years. Dick was one of the ‘Hornby’ men at Horsham.

Information by Brian Cooke

 

PHIL WIMPORY COLLECTON

DICK FORD

Seniority date 01.11.1948

 

 PHIL WIMPORY COLLECTION

Phil Wimpory

 

Brian Cook Collection
Dave Penfold
Seniority date 12.11.1946

Dave and I used to fish Birchenbridge and retire to the Bell for a pint on the way home, I can remember one time 

when a pint was one shilling a pint, (thats 5p for you youngsters), and Dave said I haven’t got enough for one and I 

only had about 6or 7 pence, so we went up to his house and looked in and around the tins and made up enough for 

two pints each with pennies and hapny's, 

If he wasn't skinning a rabbit or gutting a deer!!! rolling a fag I guess! happy days.


Photo and memories from Rodney Burstow

 

 

Brian Cook Collection 

Charlie Cook & Ron “Razor" Reeves

Pass to the Bridges, and yes it would have been Hornby turns, I think it was around the time we were working two 

drivers to a turn because of shortage of second men, it usually involved four Duties in the days of ( “dare I say it" ) 

twelve hours!!!! 

Memories Rodney Burstow


Ron Reeves seniority date 09.05.1919 (Horsham). Ron, known as ‘Razor’ was a fireman and driver at Horsham, and one of the ‘Hornby’ men. Ron had some remarkable luck when he was a fireman during the war years, he was the fireman on the train which went into the bomb crater, near the Worthing Road bridge, shortly after leaving Horsham, and was the fireman on the train that was strafed by a German aircraft at West Grinstead, where the driver, Les Ansbridge (20.11.1914) was sadly killed.


Information from Brian Cooke


 

 Rodney Burstow Collection

Fireman Tanner travelling home on the cushions

 

 

This photo was taken at Bluebell Railway 

Left ~ Right Dave Penfold (12.11.1946) Andrew Wilkenson (Bluebell Railway Fireman) 

on a Q Class loco No 541 

 

SENIOR HORSHAM ENGINEMEN THAT APPEAR ON 
THE 1925 SOUTHERN RAILWAY SENIORITY LIST
(information provided by retired driver Brian Cook recall stories told by his Grandfather 
Horsham driver Charlie Cook)

1131 - W. Buckman (July 1892) - Horsham.  Bill was Charlie’s driver for a few years , they got on well together.

1819 - J. Marsh (March 1898)– Horsham. Jack was one of the first drivers Charlie went with when he arrived at Horsham. Jack later ended up as a Shed Engiineman because of his eyesight.

1987 - Ernest Medhurst (26. 11.1898) –  Horsham. I think his name was Ernie. Charlie only ever mentioned that he was one of the Running Foremen.     

2162 - George Bevis (October 1899) – Horsham. George was another driver Charlie went with in the early days on the Horsham to Dorking North push-pull trains.

2579 - Frederick Collins (22.10.1901) – Horsham. Fred was one of Charlie’s early drivers. He was a single man and lived alone. Carried the first shilling he had ever earned on his watch chain. He was nicknamed ‘Frosty Fred’.

2650 - James Wheeler (3.05.1902)– Horsham. Jim was a lovely man and one of Charlie’s favourite drivers. Charlie later lodged with Jim and his wife until he married my Gran and got his own place.

2693 - H. Jackson (26.06.1902) –Horsham. Known as ‘General Jackson’. The E5X 32401 was General Jackson’s engine when he was a fireman. 

2749 - E. Charman (August 1902) – Horsham. Known as ‘Chonie Charman’. Branch Secretary and MIC man.

2766 - Walter Banfield (September 1902) – Horsham. Walter ended up on the pilot. He lived at Henfield. He gave my dad his copper LB&SCR copper cap badge, which I still have.

2947 - Charles Muzzle (August 1903) – Horsham. Charlie was another driver my grandad often fired to. He never swore, always used the word ‘beggering’. He was one of the drivers, as many did in those days, that used to like making their own adjustments to safety valves, brakes etc. He once adjusted the brakes on a Radial and when they were going down Pulborough Bank on the Mail Train, he applied the brakes, but having adjusted them too tightly, they locked the wheels on the engine and put some very serious flats on her, such that the engine had to be dragged off at Pulborough and fitters sent up from Bognor to release the brakes. 

2957 - W. Killner  (September 1903) – Horsham.  One of the characters without a doubt. Charlie Cooke fired to Bill many times. Bill always brought a quart of beer and a quart of lemon barley water to work with him. He had a soft spot for one of the 300 Class Horsham Goods engines, 309, which he always called his own engine. Bill was another who always adjusted things himself and took things apart. One early morning on a D Class tank engine, they were preparing the engine at Horsham and Charlie was making the fire up whilst Bill oiled up etc. Bill took apart the brake release in the cab, and in the dark Charlie accidently shovelled it into the firebox! The engine was a failure, as they could find a spare, even from all the other D Class engines in the shed. Charlie was not amused. On another occasion, they were working up from Barnham to Horsham with a goods, and Bill and the Guard, Arthur Batchelor, went outside for a couple of pints beforehand. Charlie stayed on the engine to make the fire up. The engine was Bill’s 309. Just before starting time, Bill and Arthur came back, Arthur coupled the train up and off they went. As they were going through Pulborough station, the engine was full up with steam, but Bill had only one nick of the lever left to let out and Charlie said ‘are you sure we are going to make it Bill’. Bill’s reply was ‘strong as a mogul Charlie’! They just got out of station limits when they stalled on the bank. They had to split the train and Charlie had to ride in the rear truck of the front portion with the brake pinned down, all the way to Christ’s Hospital, them leave that bit and go back for the rear portion. It transpired that Arthur, being a little worse for wear when he came back from the pub, had couple two trains onto the engine so they had a double full load! There are many more stories  I have been told about Bill.

2999  -  Charles King (29.02.1904) – Horsham. Charlie King, known as ‘Zulu King’. I don’t know why. Charlie went with him several times.

3106  - W. Smale (20.09.1904) -  Known as Jim. Jim had moved to Three Bridges from somewhere in the West Country. My dad fired to him on many occasions. When they worked the Bognor Vans up at Night to Horsham, the section timing between Pulborough and Billigshurst was 8 minutes, which with a full load and I think a C2X was tight. Jim used to say ‘now for the mad 8 minutes’. 

3481 -  Hugh Tullett (28.02.1907) – Horsham. Hugh Tullett was, I think involved in a fatal accident when he was doing a shunt with a juicer and collided with the Station Road over bridge.  

3817  - A. J. Wilkins (01.04.1909) – Horsham. Jack Wilkins was a driver and later became a Running Foreman. 
When Charlie was a fireman, firing to Harry Hodge (mentioned later) they had a serious falling out, such that Charlie asked to be put along with another driver. Bill Greenfield (4003 in SECR book but not in 1925 Seniority Book), who was firing to Jack Wilkins, agreed to swop with the consent of Jack , and Charlie then spent a number of years along with Jack. Cross reference Jack in the Horsham Motive Power site where you have published some Branch reports.

3880  - Frederick Little (5.07.1909) – Horsham. I know very little about Fred, except he lived behind the school where my Dad went. Cross reference Fred in the Horsham Motive Power site where you have published some Branch reports. 

4192 -  W. Shoubridge (30.06.1911) -  Horsham. Bill was a fireman at Horsham and then became a list clerk and ultimately Chief Clerk, never having passed for driving, which I think was due to his eyesight. Bill had a brother, Len, who was a Horsham Goods Guard and later Bill Greenfield, mentioned earlier, became Bill Shoebridge’s son-in law when he married his daughter.

4303  - A. Thompsett (13.11.1911) – Redhill /Horsham. Alfie was a Redhill man who transferred to Horsham and was a Foreman there when my dad started in 1947. He had a son, Peter Tompsett who was a driver at Redhill.

4368  - W. Chapman (07.06.1909) – Horsham. Known as Tom, he was a driver of nervous disposition and worried about the job all the time. Charlie fired to Tom on a couple of occasions. Tom suffered from ill health and was green carded and ended up as a shed engiineman on P&D at The Bridges. 

4493 -  W. Grout (22.07.1912) – Horsham / Three Bridges. Bill was a fireman at Horsham and moved to Three Bridges for his appointment as a driver. My dad fired to Bill on many occasions at The Bridges.

4159 - Fred Goldsmith (31.05.1911) – Horsham.  Fred was a fireman and driver and was in the “Motor Link” at Horsham.

4912 -  William J Martin (10.01.1914) – Horsham.  William but known as Jack. A fireman and then driver at Horsham.

5381 -  W. Pelham (20.11.1914) – Horsham. Bill was a driver at Horsham and I think ended up as a Foreman there.

5426 - Frederick Pelling (21.12.1914) – Three Bridges / Horsham. Fred was a driver at Three Bridges and moved to Horsham. He became a Foreman at Horsham.

5486  - W. Dudley (01.05.1915)– Slades Green / NXG / B/Arms. Bill was Charlie’s Brother in Law and was the one who got Charlie a start on the railway. I only added him because of this link.

5544  -  C. Duffield (03.03.1915) – Horsham. Charlie was a fireman at Horsham and left the job before he passed for driving. He opened a tearoom in Horsham, which I can remember going into with my dad and Charlie as a child. 

5840  -  S. Packham (12.11.1915) – Horsham. Sid was a driver at Horsham, who Charlie Cooke went with a few times.

Alf Myson seniority date 26.10.1918. Alf was known as ‘Shuck’. He was a fireman and driver at Horsham, and retired on the same day as Charlie, 15/6/1964, the day the loco closed. 

5996 -  Henry Dunnage (01.05.1916) – Horsham. Henry was a driver at Horsham, known as ‘Cockeye Dunnage’.

6075  -  A. Buckle (03.08.1916) – Horsham.  Bert was a fireman at Horsham and I don’t think he ever passed for driving. He ended up a Storuman at Horsham. 

6327  - Walter Lampard (25.05.1917) – Horsham. Walter was a driver at Horsham and became a Foreman there.

6490 -  Henry West (20.10.1917)  – Horsham. Henry was a driver at Horsham. His son, Charlie started at Horsham some years later as a fireman, but left the railway before passing as a driver.

6728 -  Len King (08.04.1918) – Maidstone East / Horsham. Len was known as ‘Ike King’. He was a fireman at Maidstone, and moved to Horsham about the same time as Charlie Cooke. Len was one of the ‘Hornby’ men. (SECR Book entry 1600)

6899   F. Scutt (02.08.1918) – Horsham. Not sure if his name was Frank or Fred. He was always referred to as ‘Scutty’. He was a driver and then Motorman at Horsham.

7044 -  Frederick Sexton (28.10.1918) – Horsham. Fred was a fireman and driver at Horsham, and ended up as a ‘Green Carder’ on the Pilot.

7074  - W. Fairey (18.11.1918) – Horsham / Addiscombe. Bill was a fireman and driver at Horsham and ended up as Leading Motorman at Addiscombe. Bill was the fireman on the Guildford to Horsham train that was shot up by a German aircraft on 16th December 1942 at Bramley and where the driver, J. Budd was sadly killed

8128 -  E. Brackpool (24.05.1920) - Horsham. Ted was the brother of Harold, mentioned earlier. A fireman and driver at Horsham.

8286  - Jack Taylor (17.05.1922) – Horsham. Jack was a fireman and driver at Horsham.

         8371 - Ron Shrubb  (03.09.1923) - Horsham. Ron was a driver and fireman at Horsham.

Information from Brian Cooke




4251    Frederick Orrin – Three Bridges. Fred was a driver at Three Bridges when my dad went there in 1951. Fred later went up the station as a Motorman.

 3944   Hubert W. Copp (15.02.1910) – Brighton. Hubert was the Loco Inspector who passed a great many of the Central men for       driving, my dad included.

5548    E. Fermor (08.03.1915) – Three Bridges. I think his name was Ted. He was Bob Fermor’s father, who was also a fireman and driver at Three Bridges and ended up as a Foreman at Redhill.

5989   E. J. Ryder (25.04.1916) – Redhill. Jack was a driver at Redhill before become a Loco Inspector on the Central Side. You will have seen Jack’s name against some of the entries I posted from the Electric Loco training register. He was well known across the division.

6101    E. C. Mapston – Three Bridges. Charlie was a driver at Three Bridges, known as ‘Sniffer Mapston’.My dad went with him many times. His daughter, Shirley,  married Jack Owen, who was one of the early Bluebell drivers.

6144   Douglas Bates (30.10.1916) – Three Bridges. Dougie was a driver at Three Bridges. My dad fired to Dougie several times.

6270    W. Ware  - Newhaven. Wally was a driver at Newhaven, and one of the Hornby me

6316   Jack McCarthy (25.02.1918) – Stewarts Lane. Jack was a Stewarts Lane driver and became a Central Division Loco Inspector. As with Jack Ryder, you will have seen Jack’s name in the Electric Loco training register pages that I published. He was well known across the division.

6512  Ernest Eacott – Slades Green / Newhaven. Ernie was firing at Slades Green with Charlie, and when the depot closed in 1926 he went to Newhaven. He was a Hornby man.


7034   Roy Tizzard (21.10.1918)– Bognor. Roy was a foreman and driver at Bognor, and very good friends with Charlie

7041   C. Cook – Slades Green/Horsham. ( You know all about Charlie)


7353   W. Barrett (19.02.1919) – Three Bridges.  Bill was a fireman and driver at Three Bridges. My dad was his regular mates for a couple of years.


8111   W. Peacock (17.05.1920) – Slades Green/ Three Bridges. Bill was a fireman at Slades Green, and moved to Three Bridges in 1926 when the depot closed to steam. (SECR Book 2853 and 3435)


Entry 1912 in the SECR Book is for G. Webb – Slades Green. George was cleaning and firing with Charlie at Slades Green, and when it closed to steam in 1926, George went to Brighton. Charlie often used to see him when he was down at Brighton. George had been an amateur boxer, and had a broken nose, which he apparently used to bend with his hand all the time .

 

Dave Greewood & Biff Manvell (aged 10) c1955


Driver Tony Luff & Fireman Tanner working the last train over the “ INGER LINE" between Horsham & Brighton via Steyning

Tony Luff seniority date 14.04.1958

* Dave Greenwood’s father Charles Greenwood, seniority date 08.05.1916, was a driver at Horsham, and one of the ‘Hornby’ men. Dave Greenwood started at Horsham on the 08.09.1942.

Information by Brian Cooke

 

 Horsham Loco Shed

 

 Left ~ Right: Guard Unknown, Driver Unknown & Fireman Dick Holden

 

 BRIAN COOK COLLECTION

 

 Unknown Horsham Loco-men

 

 Unknown Horsham Loco-man

 

Fireman Biff Manvell & Driver Ted Phillps 

Ted Phillips seniority date 29.10.1919.

 Ted was a fireman and a driver at Horsham.

Ginger Harris? Horsham Loco-man seen at Petworth in c1957. 

 

Biff Manvell Collection

Fireman Biff Manvell 

Seniority date 02.01.1961

 

BRIAN COOK COLLECTION 

 

 

 

BIFF MANVELL COLLECTION 

Cyril Bullbeck Horsham Loco Foreman

  The photo was taken on the last day of Horsham shed Saturday 14th June 1964

THE LAST DAY OF THE HORSHAM - GUILDFORD LINE

12th June 1965

 

 

 

 

 

 

 VIDEO OF THE CLOSURE OF

THE HORSHAM - GUILDFORD RAILWAY LINE

 

 This video features many railwaymen that worked over the the line,  Horsham locomen, Tony Luff, Dick Holden

 & Biff Manvell share their memories of working over this section of railway line.

 

 

 A veiw looking out of Horsham Loco shed after its closure.

 

 

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Horsham Loco reunion at the Bluebell Railway

This reunion brought together a large number of old Horsham Loco footplatemen from the Horsham steam depot era.

 

 

Back row left ~ right: Jack Brooker, Dave Greenwood, Peter Symons (Guard), Arthur Godden(?),  Gordon Percival, unknown (1), George Wrighton, Reg Hampshire,  George Burton,  Bill Hutchings, unknown (2), Mick Hockley, Neville Speed, Dick Holden, Dick Ford,  Brian Whitehead. 

Front row: Don Payne, Mick Hitchman, Biff Manvell, Tony Luff, Jack Bouston, Rodney Burstow.

 

 Front row left ~ right: Brian Whitehead, Bill Hutchings, Tony Luff, Dave Greenwood, Reg Hampshire, George Wrighton, Dick Ford, Peter Symons (Guard) & Don Payne

On the left ~ right Rodney Burstow, Arthur Godden(?), Gordon Percival, Dick Holden, Biff Manvell

 & Neville Speed .

 

Dick Ford 

 

 Left ~ Right: Gerry Butler (Clerical Officer within the Brighton/South Central areas and a qualified Engine men on the Bluebell Railway) & Mick Hockley

 

 

 Left ~ Right: Mick Hockley & Geoff Ball

 

 

 

 

 

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