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I am trying to find out the names of the A.S.L.E.F. Branch Secretaries for the Eastbourne Branch
and the dates they served between. if you have any info please can you let me know.
W. Hardy c1934, W. Bryant c1960, A. Harper c1985 - c1988, M. Allen 1988? S. Fuller 1993, J. Carney 1993,
S Pearceson c 2006 - 2013, M. Jenkins 2013
EASTBOURNE LOCO 1849 ~ 1965
This web page is dedicated to all A.S.L.E.&F. members who have worked at Eastbourne
depot over the years, and it features A.S.L.E.&F. members who brought the trains of
Eastbourne to life.
The LB&SCR opened a small engine shed in 1849 which was demolished in 1876. It was replaced by a semi-
roundhouse in 1876, but this was demolished in 1912. A larger seven-road (seven track) shed was opened in 1911, but
this was badly damaged by bombing in the Second World War and was never repaired. It closed in 1952, but the site
continued to be used as a store for locomotives awaiting scrapping. Until 1965 when diesel locomotives were stored
here until 1968 the shed was then demolished in 1969. Today the first engine shed is now occupied by the current
carriage sidings, whilst the latter is now wastland.
Eastbourne’s locomotive shed opened on 14th May 1849 by L.B.S.C.R. (Shed Code E). This was demolished in 1876
and it was replaced by a semi-roundhouse in 1876, but this was demolished in 1912.
A larger seven road shed was opened in 1911.
The locomotive steam shed remained until the steam was officially withdrawn on 13th June 1965. The steam depot
remain opened but now called a Mixed Traction depot. Mixed Traction finally closed on the 30th November 1968
along with Three Bridges M.T. & Feltham depots.
With the electrification arriving at Eastbourne in 1935, this created a motorman’s depot at Eastbourne (E.M.U.T.)
which was opened in 1935
The Eastbourne Branch of A.S.L.E.F. was opened on 25th February 1906.
E.J. Bedford Collection
Eastbourne Semi Roundhouse Loco Shed
Above is a list of all the engine men that where employed at Eastbourne Locomotive Department in 1877. It is not know if this is list was compiled in seniority order or not. However, the list does clearly indicates the difference in the ages of both drivers & fireman at that period of time.
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Royal Train conveying King Edward Vll arriving at Eastbourne on July 11 1903.
Below a brief history of the railway arriving at Eastbourne
PART 1
PART 2
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Terrier Tank No.76 ' Hailsham' was originally allocated to Hailsham shed
and transferred to Eastbourne shed in 1880
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PHOTOGRAPHER UNKNOWN
DERAILMENT AT TOOTH’S BANK
ON 1st SEPTEMBER 1897
Involving Driver James MacKinlay
& his fireman Lewis Minns
For some years James McKenly was the regular driver, of engine No.157 'Barcelona,' which worked regularly between Eastbourne and Tunbridge Wells West. During the winter months much slipping occurred over the steeply graded and steely curved section between Hailsham and Eridge, where an additional hazard was caused by leaves on the permanent way.
It was whilst he was in charge of this engine, that the coupling hook parted on Tooth’s Bank, about 2 ½ miles North of Heathfield, on the 11th December, 1889. Fortunely the guard was looking ahead at the time and was able to stop a minor incident becoming a disaster. Temporary adjustments were made on the spot and the engine reached Tunbridge Wells without further trouble.
Nearly a decade later, on the morning of Wednesday 1st September 1897, Driver James McKenly was working the 8.18 a.m. service from Eastbourne to Tunbridge Wells West, with a Class ‘D-tank’ No. 297 Bonchurch. The train was running around four minutes later and Driver James McKenly was trying to pick up time in order to meet a connecting train at Groombridge. As the train entered the Tooth Bank curve, at about 40 m.p.h. it suddenly left the track at speed and over turned on. Driver James McKenly was killed and his fireman Lewis Minns, was seriously injured, and 30 passengers suffered minor injuries
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On the 1st September 1897, the 8.18 a.m. Eastbourne to Tunbridge Wells train worked by Driver James McKenly
driving a 'D' Class tank No. 297 'Bonchurch' , down Tooth's Bank between Heathfield and Mayfield. About 2 ½ miles
North of Heathfield station at the foot of the bank the locomotive suddenly rolled violently and flung itself and the
carriages off the tracks with a thunderous crash audible for a distance of 1 ½ miles. Some of the carriages came to
rest at the foot of the steep embankment,while other strewn about the track and badly battered. Thirty passengers and
the fireman were seriously injured while Driver James McKenly died before help arrived.
At the inquiry Lieutenant Colonel G. W. Addison
found the speed excessive because of Driver James
McKenly attempting to make up a four minute late
departure and keep his Groombridge connection for
London and Tunbridge Wells. On inspection the track
was was found in poor shape with many rotten
sleepers and curves having irregular elevation,which
must have tipped the scales against the locomotive’s
succeful passage at high speed. As a result much of
the line was hurriedly relaid and the Heathfield -
Mayfield allowance increased from nine to eleven
minutes to ensure easier running
Mr J Daw, a lay preacher, described his experience in a little book which was published in 1905. He joined the train at Hailsham, and as it neared Mayfield he felt a jolting.
"In another moment the engine was off the rails and on the sleepers, the broken ends of which were knocking against the bottom," he said.
"Not knowing what was the matter, I turned to the window and saw the fourth carriage from the engine leaving the line on the opposite side to that on which the engine went over, and the fifth carriage following it and crushing into the end of it as they bounced down the embankment together. The middle part of the train was forced down the bank, the remainder of the carriages following after.
"The appalling crash that came upon the carriage I was in is beyond my power to describe. When the noise was over I opened my eyes and looked up, and to my astonishment I was alive.
"The roof, sides and doors of the carriage were gone. My head was cut in five places and blood was pouring down my face from a deep cut over my right eye, but I was perfectly conscious.
"I stepped out of the ruins of the carriage and looked around. The engine was lying on its side on the eastern bank, puffing and panting like some monster in its dying struggles. Passengers were moving about, such as could walk. Others were being rescued from the broken carriages, some through the windows, some lifted out from the doors as the carriages lay on their sides, and some came through the bottom of the carriages that had been wrenched away from the framework.
"As I glanced around the bank I saw the body of the engine driver. The men that had come to help the injured had found him under the wreck of the carriage I had been in."
BUFFER STOPS COLLISION
On 26th January 1904, when a 'Gladstone Glass' engine No. 192 ‘Jacomb Hood’ ran into the buffer stops when entering Eastbourne station with the 8.5. p.m. Hastings – London train in pouring rain. No serious damage or casualties resulted, the engine retired to the shed. The train continued in service with another engine a E4 class no. 485 ‘Ashington.'
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
PAGE 83
FEBRUARY 1911
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
EASTBOURNE.—Socialist Hall, 95A, Cavendish Place.
An open meeting was held here on Sunday, January 8th, when Mr. W. Warwick addressed a meeting, which was well attended. His address was greatly appreciated and a few questions were put re conciliation boards and Eight Hours Bill. The following resolution was put to the meeting:-
"That in the opinion of this meeting, the time has arrived for all enginemen, firemen and cleaners to become members of the Associated Society, and remain steadfast and true, and by noble brotherhood of societies, build up a gigantic federation, which would benefit all,"
and was carried unanimously. A vote of thanks to Mr. Warwick brought a very successful meeting to a close. Brother C. Broomfield, our branch chairman, presided, and we made one new member. That a few more may be forthcoming is the hope of BRANCH SECRETARY.
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
MAY 1911
PAGE 231
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
We held our annual cricket match and super on Good Friday, the weather being all that could be desired. The cricket match, married v. single, was a great success and ended in a draw. a good crowd of spectators lined the field, so next year we shall have to think seriously of gate money. The super, to which 53 sat down, was held in our branch meeting room, with Brother Rogers in the chair and Brother F. Taylor in the vice chair. Several ladies were present, and after the company had done justice to the good things provided the tables were cleared and we settled down to hear a concert, arranged by Brother H. Marshall, of all "locomotive talent." The branch secretary, on behalf of the committee, thanked all present for their support, and also our locomotive foreman for arranging the men's duty so as to enable them to attend the super. He also gave a brief report of last year's working, pointing out we had enrolled 2,320 members and effected a saving of £8,350 12s. 2d., a statement which was received with applause. A dance brought to a close s most enjoyable day.
BRANCH SECRETARY
Above L.B.S.C.R Locomotive workings for October 1912
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Eastbourne Semi Roundhouse Loco Shed 1876 - 1911
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
page 272
JUNE 1912
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
On Good Friday we held our usual cricket match, super, concert and dance. The cricket match was between the married men and the single, the former showing their superiority by winning. It was followed by a super wholly provided by the members and arranged by the members of a working committee, who had the assistance of their wives. The concert was a great success, Levett, Potter, Watson, Wilson, Sellwood, Jeffery, H. Marshall, G. Major, H. Rogers and A. Marshall contributing songs. Brother F. Taylor gave selections with his gramophone, and during the evening Brother H. Rogers, on behalf of the members, presented Brother G. Major with a walking stick, suitably engraved, on his enforced retirement, caused by the eyesight. Brother Major, in responding, thanked the members for the present. We had the pleasure of meeting Brother R. Niner and other members from the St. Leonards Branch, and a very enjoyable day was brought to close at 1.0 a.m.
GETTING A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING!!
A minor incident involved Driver O' Corner and his engine No.157 'Barcelona,' on the 11th May, 1912. Whilst Driver O’ Connor was shunting coal wagons near Eastbourne shed and he mistook the signals, just as C2X No. 541 was entering the yard from the main line. The collision was violent and all men were injured, but the actual damage was surprisingly light to both engines.
E.J. Bedford Collection
Visiting locos from Battersea & New Cross Sheds at Eastbourne Shed
after working Station Masters and Inspectors special trains to Eastbourne from London Victoria and London Bridge.
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
FEBRUARY 1913
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
PAGE 81
At the first meeting this year of the above branch, we had the pleasure of presenting a framed emblem to Brother C. Broomfield, who has held the chairmanship of our branch for the last three years. In responding, Brother Broomfield thanked the members very much, and among other things said he hoped they would give the new chairman the same support as had been given to him.
Events in the south are very rare, but we note with pleasure the number of new branches that are opened up and down the country, and can't help but think that there is a bright future before the locomotive-men of this country.BRANCH SECRETARY
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
JULY 1913
page 316
Extracted from A.S.L.E.F. Organising Secretary W. Warwick's report
On Tuesday 15th April, I left Kentish Town for Eastbourne, to attend an inquest. In this case an employee of the Corporation had been knocked down and fatally injured during shunting operations on a siding belonging to the above; the wagons were being propelled into the siding; our member was on the alert and had used his whistle. When this was made known in evidence, the issue turned on the question as to whether the shunter was in front. After a long controversy on this point between the representatives of the company and the Corporation, the jury, without retiring, "brought in a verdict of “accidental death " and exonerated the company's servants from blame, with a rider that the Corporation should notify their servants not to be on or about this siding when shunting operations were going on.
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
MAY 1913
page 227
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
On Good Friday our annual super and concert took place, when sixty-five members and their wives sat down and enjoyed themselves. There was also about a dozen members from the St. Leonards branch, who came to share with us the sport and good things provided by the wives of Brothers H. Rogers, A. Marshall and Geo. Hall. In the afternoon we held our annual cricket match, when Brother Niner's eleven, which suffered defeat by a few runs, played our team, and we wish them better luck next time. The match was played in very bad weather, but we all agreed to go through with it, seeing that we have to work in all sorts of weather. After supper, to which all did ample justice, we had a splendid concert, while one pleasing feature was a presentation of a marble clock to our secretary, Brother A. Marshall, in appreciation of the good work which he has done towards helping to better the conditions of our fellow members. Brother H. Rogers, being in the chair, made the presentation, and on behalf of the brothers wished him good luck in his future work for the Society. Brother A. Marshall said he was surprised, but thanked all the members for the handsome present and said he should value it as a mark of confidence and appreciation of his humble services. He had always endeavored to better the lot of the footplate-men, being of the opinion that as our earning capacity had increased our wages should increased correspondingly. He said that was not the case, although we have received a few concessions which compare favourably with those given by other companies; but as the cost of living is growing at such a great rate wages will have to be speeded up to keep pace with it. We are all pleased with the progress our Society is making, seeing that we have now nearly 27,000 members, while new branches are opened all over the country. He said that enginemen are beginning to realize that there is only one Society for them. He was very pleased to see so many of our members from St. Leonards Branch, and also the good feeling that existed between both branches, and hoped they would come over as often as possible. He also congratulated Brother Niner on his receipt of the Executive Committee's for propaganda work. As one of the deputation Brother Marshall gave a resume of some of the work they have done and how they have had been recognized as representing the enginemen of this system, and hoped by the help of the members to main tain this position,and not rest till we have every engineman in his own Society. Brother Marshall thanked everyone for the help they had given towards making our Good friday supper a success, and hoped that we should all meet together again on many future occasions. Brother Niner put in a few remarks for the St. Leonards members, after which we had a good selection of songs and dances given by members from both branches. We finished up about one o'clock in the morning, everyone going home happy and looking forward for the next Good Friday supper
ONE WHO WAS THERE
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
JUNE 1913
page 268
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
SIR,—I wish to extend my sincere thanks to those members of Brighton, Horsham, Eastbourne, St. Leonards, Tunbridge Wells, Portsmouth and Newhaven Branches, who voted for me to represent them at the Annual General Meeting.
A. J. MARSHALL.
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
1916
EASTBOURNE BRANCH SECRETARY JOINS THE ARMY
By the courtesy of the Eastbourne Gazette we are able to give a photo of our comrade Councilor A. J. Marshall, until recently secretary of our Eastbourne Branch. Brother Marshall has joined the Royal Engineers, and quitted Eastbourne on 8th March for training, prior to service abroad. He will be well known to many of our members outside the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway, as he has been delegate to our Conference in the past, and was nominee for the post of organizer in the last election. Brother Marshall has not only been a valuable member of our Society and branch secretary for some years, but as a staunch Labour man has done much public service in his native town.
He has for some years been a member of the Eastbourne Town Council, in the Labour interest, serving on the finance, general purposes, sanitary, education and housing committees, and held the following positions in addition: member of the Cavendish Ward War Relief Committee, deputy - chairman of War Unemployment Committee, manager of Willowfield Council School, president of Eastbourne Trades and Labour Council, chairman of Eastbourne Working Men's Club, member of the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway Locomotive Conciliation Board, London, Brighton and South Coast Railway Pension Fund Committee and secretary of our Eastbourne Branch.
This is a splendid record for so young a man, and with it goes the respect and admiration of, not only his fellow trade unionist and socialists, but of his political opponents also. May he safely return to take up all the duties which he has performed so well in the past.
(Bro. A. Marshall is mentioned in a Tun. Wells branch report of Oct 1923)
Thomas Frederick Charles PageKnown as Charlie PageSeniority Date 20th September 1912
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
1917
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
On Saturday, February 17th, a Smoking Concert was held here, at the Rose and Crown Hotel, to give a send - off to our members, Brothers C. Broomfield, P. Fennell, G. Taylor, A. Waller, and some others, who have joined the R.O.D., and would be shortly leaving for abroad. Mr. F. E. Grimes, Loco. Superintendent, presided, and there was about 100 persons present. At the conclusion of the first part of the musical programme the Chairman spoke of the comrades who were leaving to take up an essential part in the great war, and mentioning them by name, proposed their health and wished them good luck and a safe and speedy return. The toast was drunk with musical honours. Brother C. Broomfield made a brief reply, and thanked those present for their expression of such kind feelings. Messrs. H. Payne, T. Taylor, Gladman, Sellwood, Chatfield, Sergeant Gray, Corporal Hicks, and Private Thomas contributed to the programme, while Mr. G. Anslow rendered some verses suitable for the occasion. Miss Wildebank kindly acted as accompanist.
BRANCH SECRETARY
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DRIVER CHARLIE PAGE STANDING ON THE FOOTPLATE AT EASTBOURNECharlie Page along with Eastbourne Driver Hubert Hobden were to become the first Motormen at Ore Depot when electrification arrived along the coast Seaford Eastbourne & Ore on the 4th July 1935
Eastbourne Enginemen Walter Coombes standing at the rear
the others Enginemen are unknown
The year was 1920
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
FEBRUARY 1923
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
May I a small space in our valuable journal, owing to a little difficulty having arisen between our members at St. Leonard’s and Eastbourne Depots re the Seniority and Promotion question. It was decided that an open meeting should take place on Sunday, December 17th. The meeting duly took place, and, to make it a greater success, our worthy Organiser, Bro Barton Wild, paid us a visit, and all members present greatly appreciated his remarks. There was a good attendance, but we should have liked to have seen a few more of our St. Leonard’s members present. The case was explained to them by our Organiser, and although no decision could take place, it is hoped that the matter will be settled at an early date. Another item that was greatly appreciated by our members was the “Modification of our Terms of Service,” explained in detail by Bro. Wild. Our members fully realised the effect that the new programme would have if brought into operation, and joined unanimously with our Organiser’s remarks:- “We can afford to lose nothing.” A vote of thanks was passed to Bro. Wild for the fine address given, and the meeting broke up after nearly three hours’ discussion on various subjects. “Fight against slavery,” and “Be prepared” is the motto of
“EASTBOURNIAN”
Eastbourne Enginemen Walter Coombes standing next to engine
the other Engineman is unknown
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
JANUARY 1924
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
The annual Meeting took place on Sunday, December 2nd, when there was a very good attendance, but still room for improvement. Correspondence from head Office was read, and a fair amount of discussion followed. A letter was read from the local Labour Party, asking for monetary assistance towards the expenses of the local elections, and a collection was taken which realised a good amount. The election of officers for the ensuing year created a lively interest and resulted in a few changes being made. Very instructive and educative addresses were given by Bro. Bumstead, of Ashford Branch, and Bro. Taylor, of Folkestone Branch, two of the nominees for the Sectional Council of the Southern group, and that good will accrue as a result of the visit of these two Brothers I have no doubt. I would like to take the opportunity of making an appeal to all members of this Branch to attend and take a keener interest in all matters relating to our organisation. That this will be one of the good resolutions made in the New Year by all members is the wish of
BUSTY.
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
FEBRUARY 1924
STRIKE ISSUE
The 1924 London Central Strike Committee with committee member J. Langridge back row, fourth from the left.
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
JANUARY 1929
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
The Quarterly Meeting was held on March 10th, when Bro. Barton Wild attended. After branch business, the meeting was open to all Locomotivemen, and a good attendance had the pleasure of listening to an inspiring address by Bro. Wild, who took as his subject the “Aims and Objects of the Associated.” He took us through the early history of the society, showing how it had grown into a vast organization it is to-day; also how it had gradually improved the conditions of Locomotivemen, by National Agreements, Eight-hour day, etc. he appealed to all locomen to take an intelligent interest in the affairs of the Society, so that we can march forward in the near future 100 per cent. organized industrially and politically, and so ensure for locomotivemen more tolerable conditions of service and just remuneration for their labours. Questions were asked and satisfactorily answered. A vote of thanks to Bro. Wild for his very able address was carried unanimously. Officials and members are determined to do all possible to obtain that 100 per cent. in the near future.
ONE WHO WAS PRESENT
PHOTOGRAPHER UNKNOWN
Working over the Crumbles Branch line
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
JANUARY 1929
EASTBOURNE L.D.C. ELECTION
SIR,- Our members will no doubt be interested in result of the elections for the ensuing year. It has been our aim to arrange amicably for the N.U.R. and ourselves to nominate candidates, so to avoid an election, and it had again been decided this year that we should nominate two and the N.U.R. one. On the notice being posted that nomination papers could be obtained, to be returned by a date arranged by the officials and the scrutineers, there seems to have been a stampede of unofficial N.U.R. members and a “non” for nomination papers. As there was no law against it, they were duly filled up, and returned in order, and an election took place to elect three members to clear the sand out of the machinery for redressing grievances. The result was that two of ours and one unofficial N.U. R. man were elected. Now, had our members decided to have done the same as the unofficial N.U.R. members, the result would have been three of ours elected, as we have a good majority in our union; but, probably, they will have learnt their lesson when the next election comes, as I understand that had their unofficial members wished they could have been nominated, and avoided an election, and the usual antagonism, that results from such methods. When will they learn that discipline is necessary to progress? You will be more surprised to hear that one of them is the adopted Labour candidate at the forthcoming General Election. It will not surprise me if some of his colleagues don’t give him some of his own medicine when the Election comes, although I hope they will remember that it is the principle, and not so much the man, they vote for. I think if he is asked, when he commences his Election campaign, to explain his action in regard to it, he will have some difficulty in giving a satisfactory reply, and he may probably learn that it necessary to have discipline even in a Trade Union Election, and that majority rule should be respected.
FOR UNITY
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
1934
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
Where were the “grousers” during the branch meeting? Well, you missed a treat: Sectional Council minutes pulled to pieces and put together again, three out of the four points concede by the Company, more money in your pockets; so come and help yourself to more. What a debate on the vital question of transfers by those who have been and those who will be! Electrification affects you all, so come and have a say in the matter. New men attended this first possible meeting: old hand, you want to look into that before the next meeting. The new officers are all triers and willing to teach or be taught. To the older members I say: Come and show them you approve of the new generation; and to the youngsters: Come and pile in, show how much you have learnt; But to all: Help yourselves, `ware sparks. They are on their way to Eastbourne, so let us 100 per cent membership, and a branch room well crowed. There is nothing to be afraid of. We want all your grievances at the branch room to be dealt with satisfactory. To those who are outside the Society: I appeal to them join us and look to the future.
BRANCH REPORTER
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LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL 1934
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
Yes! We are here again after a very interesting 2 hours discussing several important items, especially the companies’ proposals for the new negotiating machinery, which were not acceptable to the members present at our February meeting, where upon they decided to forward to the E.C. a resolution endorsing their action in refusing the Companies’ proposals, and also ask for the restoration for the 2.1/2 per cent cut, especially now the Companies are having a “good time” according to their finical position. Traffic receipts up, and still going up, so I appeal to all branches to forward your resolution to your E.C. to press for return to normal times.
Now to the non-unionists at the depot I am Glad to report we have made 10 new members since January. Why not make it 20 by our next meeting on April 8th? I ask: Where will the “nons” be in case of accident, and nobody is exempt from them? Think of your wife and family; it only cost 1d. a day to belong to our Society. Think of it, the price of a daily paper. I appeal to those outside: Get your membership form. I have plenty that want filling up. Do not like some our recently transferred “nons” from this depot; be approached by the secretary asking for your card and find that you have not got one to produce. Come in with us; we shan’t bite you! Now I appeal to all members: Do not use the mess room as a branch to air your grievances. They will not get rectified there! Take them to the branch room for just 2 hours a month of your time, and sometimes exciting a that.
W. HARDY
BRANCH SECRETARY
ANTHONY MARTIN COLLECTION
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
1934
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
A smoking concert was given in honour of our recently-returned member, Bro. G. Hall, one of our stalwart trade unionist of 40 years standing. We were pleased to welcome Organising Secretary Bro. J.V. Sweeney, who made the presentations to Bro G. Hall of a suitably subscribed barometer and a hand-bag to Mrs Hall, with short address regarding our Brother’s long membership and the splendid work of the Society during his long service to the railway company from cleaner to driver, and with a hearty good wish that Bro. G. Hall will have a long years of health in his well-earned rest. Our Loco foreman, Mr R. Steele, also attended and enjoyed our company for the evening, which seemed all too short, and gave us a short record of Bro. G. Hall service from 1889 to 1934. he had been looking for late bookings on duty, but I gather he was unfortunate, and his closing remarks were: “We must have had an angel working amongst us.” We continued our very pleasant evening of song and laughter with a room full of our members and N.U.R. members and their wives, to who a cordial invitation had been extended with a presentation from the traffic dept. at Eastbourne of a set of pipes, pouch and tobacco, with appreciation of a long service at Eastbourne. Our chairman, Bro. J. Langridge , of whom we all have to thank for his hard work in arranging the evening’s programme “made good use of his hammer,” it seemed to get our artistes from nowhere we seemed to be crowed out with talent. I should like to thank all those responded to our chairman’s hammer during that most enjoyable evening at which we were granted an extension of licence till 11-30 p.m., and closed memorable evening with "Auld Langs Syne”
W. HARDY
BRANCH SECRETARY
ANTHONY MARTIN COLLECTION
Eastbourne Enginemen and other Eastbourne Railway workers
returning back from a works outing. The pub maybe the Green Man at Ringmer.
The date is unknown and photo includes Eastbourne Enginemen Walter Coombes
CHARLIE PAGE STANDING ON THE FOOTPLATE OF A 'SCHOOLS CLASS’ No. 915 BRIGHTON EASTBOURNE SHED
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
1934
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
We are still making good headway here, four more new members admitted at our last meeting on June 10th, making a grand total of 20 since January of this year. Our meeting was attended as usual, by the same number of “regulars” who very seldom miss a meeting, and the same number who get first-hand information from our H.O. regarding all working being done by our fraternity. I would appeal to all those very seldom attend to give a few minutes in the branch-room and listen to a few of the facts, and not rumours which are floated occasionally at the depot. Well we still have good business for our L.D.C. to attend to. I think with the help of our stalwarts a lot can be rectified. I wish to remind our members at Eastbourne: “Creeping paralysis” (electrification) is overcoming this district, and will affect all of us in some way or the other: get to your branch meeting and hear or suggest what should or can be done for our benefit. Our short meeting was brought to a close at 3-15 p.m. and re-opened again as an open meeting for all locomotivemen, at which we had with us our Organising Secretary Bro. J.V. Sweeney, who gave us a very good explanation of the Society’s demand for the return of our cuts and conditions and the retention of the Wages Board, explaining some facts and figures which I hope, has enlightened a few of our members. I would have been pleased to have the “nons” listen to his speech, but they are satisfied with any conditions, and do not need help in the return of their cuts. If they did they would not be outside. I suggest if the companies want to save money they take it from those that do not assist in keeping what we have already got. The meeting closed with a hearty vote of thanks.
BRANCH SECRETARY
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
APRIL 1935
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
We have just had one of the most important meetings with the largest attendance for a considerable time. It being an open meeting we had the priviledge of welcoming visitors from Brighton, Hastings, and St. Leonard's, with N.U.R. locomotive men from Eastbourne, who are in some way, and there are not many who are effected by electrification in this area, which, according to an approximate list posted at the depots affected, will displace about 60 sets of men on steam work. We had with us Bro. F. Jeans, S.C. Secretary, who kindly gave up his week-end to explain the Council's agreements regarding transfers and other vital information on points effecting our memberswho will largely suffer. i must say it was a very busy afternoon for Bro. F. Jeans. He was ably assisted by Bro. J. Gayler, from Brighton, who was in the fight on the last extention to Brighton, and he described how they were dealt with by the company and how the were affected. now, Eastbourne, Hastings, St. Leonard's. and Brighton, be careful what you are up to. I have suffered, and I speak from personal experience, owing to electrification in the Croydon area, so I advise all members to look in their branch room at every meeting held from now till the crash comes, and have a voice in your future, and it is yours, I can assure you. I sincerly hope Bro. F. Jeans helped those who were in doubt, and I am positive he did his best to explain some important items under our National and Sectional Council agreements, which no doubt will wound as well as heal. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks from our members from St. Leonard's branch, and concluded a busy afternoon, and I am sure well spent.
W.E. HARDY
BRANCH SECRETARY
PHOTOGRAPHER UNKNOWN
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
AUGUST 1935
AS A RESULT OF ELECTRIFICATION ARRIVING AT EASTBOURNE, A NUMBER OF THE JUNIOR EASTBOURNE ENGINE-MEN FOUND THEMSELVES HAVING TO MOVING ACROSS THE COMPANY, WITH SOME RE-LOCATING AT THE NEWLY OPENED NORWOOD LOCO SHED.
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
FEBRUARY 1938
EASTBOURNE BRANCH
A report from the Locomotive Journal has not appeared for some time. Attendance at branch meetings has not been what it should have beeen in view o the recent happenings on the railways. Perhas when the R.S.N.T. awards and all they imply are fully understood members will realise that their obligations to the Society (and themselves) does not finish when they have paid their contributions. The attitude of self-satisfaction must give way to the spirit of 1924.
The branch committee arranged a smoking concert for October 23. A fair number, including several members from Ore and St. Leonard's branches, and several N.U.R. members, and a representative from the Eastbourne Trades council and local Labour Party, braved the elements to give a send-off to one of our active members, Bro. C. Lawerence, who has retired from the railway company. Bro. Steele, Locomotive Foreman, wrote and apologised for his being unable to attend. During the evening musical items were rendered by Bro. A. Beeney (and "Ginger") of St. Leonard's branch and other local stars, with Bill Painter of Brighton, at the piano.
During the evening, Bro. J.O. Sweeney, Organising Secretary, presented Bro. Lawrence with a Westminster chiming clock as an appreciation for the services he has to his fellow-workmates. Bro. Sweeney, in his remarks, referred to the record of Bro. Lawrence's services to the Society and the working-class movement in general, and the need for such spirit to be carried on by the present generation in order to safeguard the future.
Bro. Lawrence suitably replied, and stated that although he had finished as far as the railway were concerned his interest in the movement was still as great. At the time of writing he is contesting a seat on the Local Town Council in the interests of the Labour Party.
The branch membership is still on the upward trend; there are only three "nons" at the depot and it is pleasing to see some of the younger element at the branch meetings.
May I, in closing make a further appeal to those members who have not done so to join the "Trade Union Club" and assist the management committee to make the club where Trade Union activity can be carried on in comfort.
BRANCH SECRETARY
Eastbourne Enginemen Dick Coombes’s Certficate of Occupation
EASTBOURNE ENGINEMAN
DICKIE COOMBES
AS TOLD BY HIS DAUGHTER DEBORAH READ
Dickie Coombes tried to join the Navy like his older brother, but he was found out to be too young. His father (Eastbourne driver Walter Coombes) got him to join the railway without him realising that it was a reserved occupation. Once in, he couldn’t get out!! Dick was really used about it, but he soon realised just how dangerous it was during the war as the Germans tried to bomb the railways.
It was during the war and one day he was in the mess room that was on the side of the station looking up the tracks on the left. The sirens went off but they didn't run anywhere as they chose to watch what was happening as there a bit of a dog fight going on overhead, they saw a plane badly damaged but the pilot managed to jump out. Dad said that they all watched in horror as his parachute did open and came down not far in front of them. They ran over but the poor chap had come down feet first and dad said that his legs had been pushed straight up and out at his shoulders. Dead of course and british I understand. Dad hadn't been there for very many weeks and was rather shaken. He always said that he could never get into a plane and be a parachutist.
Eastbourne was always being targetted by the Germans with many people being killed. My mums father, having survived the WW1 battles became one of the civil defence men who cleared up the bodies that were killed after a strike. The worse was a large shelter in the town that lots of people went into and it was a direct hit.
Dad said that one day walking to work a plane strafed the road and everyone dropped into the gutters. Amazing how people just got on with it, picked themselves up and carried on to work. I don't know if there were any articles at the time about this pilot but it was certainly embedded in dad's memory.
Eastbourne Engine Cleaners Dick Coombes far right
the others Engineman is unknown, 1943
DOWN THE WRONG LINES!!
A during the early 1950's there was a 6.40 p.m. Eastbourne - Polegate goods train, this train was usually a heavy formation and nearly always double headed. On the evening of 2nd February, 1951, the goods train stormed out of Eastbourne yard in fine style with engines Nos. 32543 and 42074 (L.M.R. 2-6-4T), but the road was set for the engine line instead of the up main. In the darkness this went unnoticed by the crews who also failed to notice to observe that the up advance starter, which was off was further east than it should have been, so the train continued to gain speed. It was only when the cavalcade was thundering into the shed yard and the electrical substation appeared to the right instead of the left that the crews realised all was far from well, and shut off steam, but too late to prevent a violent collision with N class 2-6-0 Nos.S1825 and L.M.R. tank 42065. Several of the enginemen were injured and all for locomotives considerably damaged. The guard was also badly shaken, but was able to leave his van and hurry back along the track to protect his train in time to stop engine No. 32538 from crashing into the wreckage.
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
EASTBOURNE
JUNE 1957
PAGE 219
Another Re-union and Social Evening on April 27 brought members old and new together again. Bro. W.G. Osbourne, Motorman at Eastbourne, attached to Ore branch, who retired recently was presented with a wrist watch; his wife received an umbrella.
Mr. Rodgers, D.M.P.S., in making the presentation, gave a review of the changesin the railway worldduring George’s years of service. George, who had been a member 40 years, suitably replied; he joined in 1908,had taken part in all our troubles with authority for improved conditions, having divided his time between Orpington and Eastbourne. Best of luck, George. May time deal with you both lightly. Our thanks to those who provided the catering and entertainment. May the good work continue.
Branch Reporter.
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
EASTBOURNE
JUNE 1958
PAGE 220
Branch attendance is fair; the new Manning Agreement for Electric Trains has given promotion a great fillip here. Our Social Evenings bring old and young together again and we enjoy it; with twenty pensioners attending there is always a good discussion on the “good old days” but we begin to think the future has a lot in store, too.
B. Jenner, a pensioned member, has passed on. Here was a likeable old character who left his mark during his dy. Also we have lost the service of J. Barely, a worthy member and L.D.C. representative; the suddenness of his passing took us by surprise. Members of Exeter branch may remember him.
BRANCH REPORTER
(We tender sincere sympathy to the relatives of our deceased members. - Editor )
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
AUGUST 1961
EASTBOURNE
PAGE 226
Branch meeting remain at the same level of attendance and, being affected by the Dual Link alteration in the P.T.R.A., much discussion arises, the Pool being a point we think we should watch closely. Some of the facilities are not up to standard but it seems we “flog a dead horse” where Messrooms are concerned.
Saturday, June 10, gave us another of our social evenings with presentations to Drivers C. Fears and A. Divall, both having served the Branch well in official capacities as Secretary and Chairman repectively, and service to the Organisation is always respected. Many turned up, both old and young, and, in addition to their parting gift, copies of The Lighted Flame were presented to both. Past and present Shed Masters were amongst us. Thanks to the Committee – may their good work continue!
Branch Report
GEORGE TERRY
Left ~ Right:
Fireman Peter Dove & Driver Sid Peckham
Left ~ Right:
Derek Carter, Pat Ray, Arthur Divall, unknown Collins &
Peter Dove c1944
Eastbourne Enginemen Dick Coombes standing next to engine
the other Engineman is unknown
LOCOMOTIVE JOURNAL
EASTBOURNE
JUNE 1957
PAGE 219
Another Re-union and Social Evening on April 27 brought members old and new together again. Bro. W. G. Osbourne, Motorman at Eastbourne, attached to Ore branch, who retired recently was presented with a wrist watch; his wife received an umbrella.
Mr. Rodgers, D.M.P.S., in making the presentation, gave a review of the changes in the railway world during George’s years of service. George, who had been a member 40 years, suitably replied; he joined in 1908, had taken part in all our troubles with authority for improved conditions, having divided his time between Orpington and Eastbourne.
Best of luck, George. May time deal with you both lightly. Our thanks to those who provided the catering and entertainment. May the good work continue.
Branch Reporter.
Above & Below
Ex-LB&SCR tanking engines photographed whilst shunting in Eastbourne yard.
The era was post Nationalisation (c1949) and neither of the locos display the British Railways logo, but they do have their new British Railways prefixed number, indicating that they are both ex-Southern Railway engines
Driver Roy Tutt & Fireman Bob Waghorne in C1963.
Bob later transfered from Eastbourne to Tonbridge,
Sevenoaks, Ore, St Leonards, and Hastings depots
Fireman John Mould
John later become a driver at Ore and Eastbourne depots
The last rostered steam train from Eastbourne to Tunbridge Wells West via
Heathfield "the Cuckoo Line" on 12.06.1965. worked by Eastbourne crew Driver
George Terry & Fireman Bob Waghorne.
Above Left at Horam (may be Heathfield?) and Right Bob Waghorne taking water at Heathfield.
Above Left: The last rostered steam train departing from Tunbridge Wells West to Eastbourne via Heathfield
"the Cuckoo Line" 12th June 1965. worked by Eastbourne Crew Driver George Terry & Fireman Bob Waghorne
(Bob is pictured looking out of cab window).
Above Right: arrived at Eastbourne for the last time. Bob Waghorne is pictured.
Eastbourne shed interior early 1950's. Roads 1 and 2
Eastbourne shed was badly damaged by bombing during the Second World War and was never repaired. It closed in
1952, but the site continued to be used as a store for locomotives awaiting scrapping. Until 1965 when diesel
locomotives were stored here until 1968 the shed was then demolished in 1969. Today the first engine shed is now
occupied by the current carriage sidings, whilst the latter is now wasteland.
Outside of Eastbourne shed c. 1949. 4-4-0 No. 32043.
Waiting departure from Eastbourne Loco to en route Redhill Loco 03.06.65. Leading loco worked by Driver E.G.
Evans (02.05.49) & Fireman J. Barnes (26.06.61), Rear loco worked by Driver Cyril Woodrow (26.09.47)
& Fireman C. Seamus
Bob Waghorne (03.12.62) at Eastbourne Loco shed
En route from Eastbourne Loco to Redhill Loco 03.06.65. Leading loco worked by Driver Evans & Fireman Barnes, Rear loco worked by Driver Cyril Woodrow & Fireman C. Seamus
Driver Ray Pearson (19.03.45)
Driver Bill Barnard & Fireman John Barnes taking water at Eridge c1963/4
Above scenes around Eastbourne loco c1965
THE WEALDS MAN RAIL TOUR JUNE 1965
The photo above was taken during the Wealds Man Rail Tour Special which was to become the last train to work down the "Cuckoo Line" in June 1965
Left ~ Right: Driver Spud Murphy Eastbourne, Fireman Stan Laycock Eastbourne, Driver Roger Pickthall Redhill & Fireman Trevor Morris Redhill
Trevor Morris Collection
Driver Spud Murphy, Fireman Stan Laycock, Driver Roger Pickthall & Fireman Trevor Morris (R'Hill)
Trevor Morris Collection
Driver Roger Pickthall, Fireman Trevor Morris (R'Hll) & Driver Spud Murphy
Newspaper cuttings from Trevor Morris Collection
Former Footplate men of Eastbourne Loco
Left ~ Right: Bill Bryant, Peter Martin, John Mould, Roy Tutt, George Terry & Alec Young.
Eastbourne Loco reunion 2004
Left ~ Right Bob Waghorne, George Terry & John Barnes
Eastbourne Loco shed in the final years of opening c1963 - 64
EASTBOURNE M.T.
16th JUNE 1965 ~ 30th NOVEMBER 1968
VACANCIES FOR FOOTPLATE STAFF LIST No. 112
28th NOVEMBER 1968
REFERRING TO THE NOTICE ISSUED ON THE 6th NOVEMBER 1968, THE FOLLOWING ARE THE
SENIOR APPLICANTS FOR THESE VACANCIES AND THE DATE OF APPOINTMENT WILL BE 2nd
DECEMBER 1968 FOR REGISTRATION PURPOSES
SPECIAL NOTICE
REDUNDANT STAFF AT CLOSING ALLOCATED TO VACANCIES SHOWN ON THIS RESULT SHEET ARE
REMINDED THAT THEY SHOULD APPLY WITHIN FOURTEEN DAYS OF THE POSTING OF THIS LIST IF
THEY WISH TO NOMINATE A SUBSTITUTE DEPOT FOR THEIR CLOSING DEPOT IN ACCORDANCE
WITH CLAUSE 21, AND GOVERNED BY THE PRINCIPLES OF CLAUSE 16 OF THE P.T. & R.
ARRANGEMENTS FOR FOOTPLATE STAFF.
PRO-FORM FOR THIS PURPOSE WILL BE ISSUED TO EACH MAN CONCERNED.
EASTBOURNE M.T. REDUNDANT FOOTPLATEMEN
NOVEMBER 1968
NAME GRADE SENIORITY MOVED TO GRADE
PEARSON R. DRIVER 19.03.45 ST. L’NARDS DRIVER
MURPHY B.J.C DRIVER 27.06.47 ADDISCOMBE DRIVER
NIX D.A. DRIVER 08.09.47 EASTLEIGH DRIVER
WOODROW C.E. DRIVER 26.09.47 R'HILL EMUT DRIVER
BAKER K. DRIVER 05.11.47 DOVER DRIVER
HURD-GATER E.J. DRIVER 21.04.48 B’TON MT DRIVER
HUGHES E.D. DRIVER 30.04.48 B’TON MT DRIVER
PICKETT T. DRIVER 08.11.48 R’HILL EMUT DRIVER
EVANS E.G. DRIVER 02.05.49 SELHURST DRIVER
BOWLES C.E. PSD F/M 07.03.55 B’TON MT FIREMAN
GATES E. PSD F/M 02.07.59 T.W.W. DRIVER*
BARNES J.M. PSD F/M 26.06.61 ORPINGTON DRIVER*
YOUNG A. PSD F/M 29.11.61 NORWOOD DRIVER*
WAGHORNE, R PSD F/M 03.12.62 TONBRIDGE FIREMAN
KENYON R PSD F/M 11.03.63 TONBRIDGE FIREMAN
· * PROMOTION MOVE TO DRIVER
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